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Why couldn't the separatists legally leave the Republic?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Community' started by Feologild, Jul 21, 2019.

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  1. Feologild

    Feologild Jedi Knight

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    I apologize if this has been asked before. But why couldn't the separatists legally leave the Republic?

    This is something i really never got watching the clone wars tv series. I mean why was the Republic so against giving the separatist independence from the republic?


    Maybe this is a stupid question, but i am asking it anyway.
     
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  2. Feologild

    Feologild Jedi Knight

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    Well this is the last time i will ask a question on this forum.
     
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  3. Cowgirl Jedi 1701

    Cowgirl Jedi 1701 Force Ghost star 5

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    I think I might have seen this question or similar asked elsewhere, but I'm not exactly sure where. You might try checking the prequel forums, though. Sorry I couldn't help more, but I know basically zip about politics.
     
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  4. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red 18X Hangman Winner star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    There this video from EckhartsLadder (don't know if it's a coincidence that it's the exact same title as this thread):



    It's mostly guesswork and speculation, but one possibility he touches on is that the CIS, being controlled by the Banking Clan and Trade Federation and etc. aren't actually acting according to the democratic will of the people whose systems they control. Which if it were the case, would make the secession attempt illegitimate.
     
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  5. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It is illegal in real world states on principle. I imagined the Republic operated in the same way.
     
  6. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Force Ghost star 4

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    I would draw one analogy with the United States Civil War. There are others though. It might come down to whether there are rules in place that allow for a planet or group of planets to secede. It depends on what type of government you are dealing with. States that are part of a loose federation might have the ability to secede peacefully.

    You might look at the difference between the United States under the Articles of Confederation and the United States in 1860 during the outbreak of the civil war. Is the central government weak or strong?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation
    The Articles of Confederation came into force on March 1, 1781, after being ratified by all 13 states. A guiding principle of the Articles was to preserve the independence and sovereignty of the states.
     
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  7. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    If it exerts a principle to the point that tens of thousands of people die, it's not good, regardless of the weak or strong model.

    Palpatine steadfastly refused to acknowledge the Confederacy.
     
  8. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Force Ghost star 4

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    At some point, a separatist movement is going to be acknowledged. I guess ignoring such a movement might preserve a peaceful status quo?
     
  9. Samuel Vimes

    Samuel Vimes Force Ghost star 4

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    I didn't get any indication from the films that the seps were not allowed to leave.
    Or that the army was made with the intent to hold them in at gunpoint.

    There were systems that had made it clear that they wanted to leave and there was some negotiation going on.
    About what is unclear but if they were simply forbidden from leaving then what is there to negotiate?
    "We want to leave"
    "You are not allowed to!"

    It makes some sense for the republic side to try and negotiate some way that the seps do not leave.
    Try to address their concerns about the senate/republic, deal with some law that might be an issue.

    Or the negotiations were about the manner by which they would leave, what would happen to republic citizen that lived in those systems but were not from there. What legal status would they have?
    What would be the borders, what about republic companies doing business in these systems?
    What about the right to mine valuable minerals and so on.

    The old republic did not strike me as a single nation but rather a large group of nations that had joined together.
    Like the EU or the Federation in Star Trek.

    Bye for now.
    The Guarding Dark
     
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  10. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Force Ghost star 4

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    There was a mix of a strong central government with loosely federated states. This organization is what results when you try to unify a galaxy. To look at this question, we might divide out the evidence of a strong central government from evidence of loosely federated nation-state-systems. We can't deny the existence of a strong central government.
     
  11. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red 18X Hangman Winner star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    Also, considering Palpatine was the one orchestrating all of this to start a war, he very likely set things up so that the Separatists tried to leave in a way that was not above board.
     
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