ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

I try to never nitpick films, especially fantastic space movies that ignore the laws of physics, but when Rey knew how to swim I nearly burst out laughing in the theater. She should have been flailing in that water screaming for help or just sunk like a rock.

Edit:I know you were addressing more substantive character traits, but that one always got me. Feel free to ignore. Carry on

 

Yeah, it really is though. And he could keep her under his thumb as a slave in everything except name if it were a matter of legality. Not that I think he'd be too worried about that in the first place.



There's more to the story coming in RoS, and that ^^^ ain't it. Someone hid her on Jakku.

 

The TFA novel begs to differ....




Whatever Rey’s backstory - which hasn’t changed and isn’t flexible, according to Daisy - Rey was never enslaved.

(And, I mean...it’s Finn who’s the actual ex-slave.)

As an added bonus, wonder if RJ was “inspired” a bit by that passage... “You have nothing. You are nothing!” Hmm.

 

That’s my point though. Nothing has changed. People are presenting Kylo’s line as though some former paperwork exchanged hands here and that Rey belongs to Plutt but I have never understood why people see it that way.

On some level the people who left her behind likely did prioritize something petty above her own well being. It’s unlikely those people were her biological parents.

 

This scenario makes no sense. Why would Plutt pay them $20 (or negotiate up to $25???) for the daughter they are abandoning, who is under no obligation to even work for him?

 

Let’s be real. You aren’t selling a girl to be a scavenger either. The whole “sold for drinking money” is nonsense, I’ll agree.

 

It doesn’t mean some big formal transaction of rights has occurred. In plutt’s case if the parents were junkers it’s possible he’d seen her talent and they convinced him she would pay for more than whatever the small amount was he paid for them to leave her behind and that was that. With no ship and him having a strangle hold on portions any kid left behind basically has to work for him. If she’s good at scavenging and he’d seen that it would be a guarantee of superior payment coming back for what he pays out.

 

Rey was not a slave. I'm not just talking about a formal legal transaction... I'm talking about the way she lived during TFA and the way she has been portrayed in canon books. She's not a slave. It's that simple.

To me, this line is explained by one of the following:
1) Kylo is a lying POS trying to gaslight her
2) Rey is so delusional that she thinks she was sold into slavery, even though she knows she is not a slave, and Kylo "pulled that info from her mind"
3) RJ didn't pay good enough attention to TFA, or didn't care and was willing to retcon to tell the story he wanted to tell

ETA: Actually what @A Chorus of Disapproval said makes the most sense!

 

the fact that she's a scavenger and sells her scavenged stuff to Unkar Plutt, even at an unfair rate, says she's not a slave. She also lives alone. Agree with the Kylo being a liar part. To me he was clearly trying to manipulate Rey.

 

Considering Pablo Hidalgo suggested that Kylo merely saw Rey’s greatest fear (vs actual memories), and considering that JJ said in 2016 that Rey wonders who her parents are, I don’t consider “sold by junker parents” to be a route of fruitful spec. At all.

Except in that narrative drama kinda requires the Truth to be completely and utterly different.

 

She wasn't a child slave living on the back streets of some third world city. Completely different upbringing, that's why she's like she is.

 

Hopefully Han didn't lose Rey and the Millenium Falcon in a card game to Unkar Plutt. I mean him owning the Falcon is a bit hinkey...

 

The fact that Rey believes him is imo more consistent with it being false.

Contrast: “Noooo! That’s not true! That’s impossible!”

 

Agreed.

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he wrote “sold out” and then changed it to “sold off” without even considering the volumes of people who’d hang on that one word difference between “out” to “off” as some hugely consequential change despite what we’d seen previously of the arrangement and despite the lack of emphasis on this point as something meant to change everything from Lucasfilm.

If it was meant to be as big a deal as we have all made it I bet they’d dissect it more in the EU. They haven’t so I don’t think it is.

 

RE: slave Rey

https://boards.theforce.net/posts/55054181/

I'll just put that there for posterity's sake again and note that the StarWars.com Rey bio to date hasn't been changed to reflect TLJ's alleged version of Rey's backstory.

 

she wasn't gullible with Luke in the slightest. That's what bothers people I think; there is no consistency in the writing of the ST. It plays like it was written by a committee. It bothers me anyway.

 

completely agree. at least with Lucas he was there overseeing the creative vision.

 

Rey's desire for her family has been a fundamental part of her character for 2 films. If RJ gave so little consideration to the words in this scene that he did not understand the implications of the protagonist of the saga being sold by her parents, than that is absolutely pathetic.

I think the more likely reason that it hasn't been dissected in the EU is because it's a lie, and we are going to find out the truth in TROS.

 

who..Unkar Plutt?