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ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Sforza, Dec 13, 2017.

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  1. Solo88

    Solo88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Sidious killed for good? AKA retcon Return of the Jedi.
     
  2. alwayslurking

    alwayslurking Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If you're a big fan of Reylo or Kylo, than I'm sure the dynamic of Rey having to kill Kylo to kill Palatine sounds incredibly romantic. However, to me it sounds like a great method to defeat both of the big bads with one kill. Rey has no reason to have an emotional attachment to either Kylo or Palpatine, so this fight sounds extremely lacking in "epicness" as compared to the final battle in the other two trilogies, where there was a very personal connection.
     
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  3. 11-4D

    11-4D Force Ghost star 5

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    Not really different from Rey having to kill Kylo because he's just as evil as he's been in 7 and 8.
     
  4. alwayslurking

    alwayslurking Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Exactly. According to the rumor, the reason Palpatine is able to possess Kylo is because he's evil!
     
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  5. Solo88

    Solo88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    What's the point of bringing back Palpatine if he is only going to possess Kylo for a fight scene? Sounds extremely anticlimactic.
     
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  6. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    He takes over an acolyte’s body first. Possibly Matt Smith.

    Once Sidious explains how he’s behind both of their lives the personal connection will grow. As for the other part... it’s why I think it could work great for everyone.

    Until she kisses him to bring Ben Solo back from the dead that is anyway. With him behaving very differently and we realize that with the Dark Side power removed he’s Ben Solo exclusively again and he asks what happened and who she is and what he’s doing there and where his father is.
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  7. ForceGhostPrincessLeia

    ForceGhostPrincessLeia Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah, nope. Not a snowball's chance on Mustafar.
     
  8. Darth Buzz

    Darth Buzz Jedi Master star 4

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    Thats not all he is going to do..... jumping to conclusions much
     
  9. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    I agree but it’s amusing to imagine.
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  10. Solo88

    Solo88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    And what has others in this thread been doing? Speculating which leads to jumping to conclusions.
     
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  11. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Chosen One star 6

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    I think you’re mistaking me for someone who liked TLJ.
     
  12. Solo88

    Solo88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Let me guess, you loved it. :p
     
  13. Darth Buzz

    Darth Buzz Jedi Master star 4

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    I am not a Reylo.

    My favorites parts of TLJ was when Rey and Kylo shared scenes.

    I hope they continue to share scenes in TROS. After the VF article saying their relationships would be explored even deeper than thought, I am beyond excited.
     
  14. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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  15. AhsokaSolo

    AhsokaSolo Force Ghost star 7

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    Only because JJ is back. If RJ were still around, my money would be on this... minus the memory loss. RJ’s Bennie Boo Boo Baby would remember Rey at least... through the force. You can’t have a romance if the male half doesn’t remember forcing intimacy on his girlfriend over and over and over. That’d be cray cray!
     
  16. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, context creates a scenario where the pseudo-Reylo element of TLJ doesn’t fit these other examples, mostly based off execution (where TLJ is horrible) but also based off the concept of what makes the relatiosnhip engaging and how the audience is supposed to view it... namely, I don’t think people get “excited” for the relationships when they become violent and toxic, whereas that *is* supposed to be an element of even platonic Reylo.

    Palpatine and Anakin is a creepy manipulation of someone from pre-adolescence into becoming a villain, as a kind of Sith-style grooming, and the audience is coached to treat it as creepy, evil, and something foreboding.

    When Anankin solidifies his turning into Vader by choking the wife he once had a reciprocal, loving relationship with, it’s an “abandon ‘ship” moment that plays exclusively as tragedy, ending their relationship on a note the audience is supposed to feel down about. And even before that, the flaws in their relationship were foreboding heralds of doom and gloom.

    Vader torturing Leia... is Vader torturing Leia. And this is two films before their familial connection is revealed, and this “relationship” never appears on screen as an actual relationship, outside of being a conflict between them.

    It’s the Luke and Vader relationship that is the only one that *might* apply for a comparison to Rey, since that’s what TLJ is deliberately hearkening to... though the execution between the two relationships couldn’t be more different, and conceptually, it’s still not anything like the toxic relationship Reylo is. Vader and Luke is a clear conflict between antagonists that end soul with a surprising connection being revealed... that nonetheless doesn’t bring the protagonist into the service of the villain, is focused on the hero’s perspective, and ultimately adds tension to their coming conflict.

    Reylo, as generally presented even in a platonic sense, tends to only be a team up story for the benefit of Kylo, with the idea being that people should want to see them team up. It’s also probably not intended to be as “toxic,” or more accurately, *just* abusive at best and abusive *and* critically damaging to Rey’s character at worst, as it wound up being, though that’s where the bad execution comes in.
    Exactly. A well written Rey would much more believably just shrug her shoulders and say “Hey, two baddies with one lightsaber!” be grateful for the efficient end this gives her to her adventure, and go get lunch.

    This is why TROS, if it has any desire to do something where Rey is to view Kylo tragically, has to ignore TLJ and start over to try and get there.
     
  17. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    They will be enemies for much of IX. I was just having some fun with Reylo earlier.

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    Rey is over Kylo Ren now. The team up will be late and they will need each other to kill Sidious and then she will have to kill Kylo Ren.
     
  18. Solo88

    Solo88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Why doesn't she let Palpatine kill Kylo then deal with him herself? Does Rey really have to team up with Kylo again?
     
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  19. AhsokaSolo

    AhsokaSolo Force Ghost star 7

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    All the talk around this leaves a lot to be desired, like it’s obvious why Rey would ever again team up with Kylo. In the actual story, she not only has no reason to ever trust him in any capacity. Worse, there is almost zero way it can happen without making her look moronic and self destructive.
     
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  20. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    Have you forgotten just how incredibly badass Sidious is when he’s not distracted by his enjoyment of electrocuting Luke, and arrogantly assuming that after decades of loyalty from his right hand man that he’s totally in control?

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    Even the two of them versus Sidious in a younger body will require their incredible chemistry and balance between light and dark to defeat him.
     
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  21. Solo88

    Solo88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Is Palpatine alive or just a spirit? Would his spirit be just as powerful if he was alive? Let's ask Pablo.
     
  22. AhsokaSolo

    AhsokaSolo Force Ghost star 7

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    Right Rey is going to help the current evil emperor take out his latest rival. Is she going to apply to become a storm trooper as well?
     
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  23. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    You really think it will be difficult to sell Darth Sidious to the audience as a greater threat to the galaxy? I also won’t be surprised if a personal reason for her to be angry with Sidious emerges.
     
  24. alwayslurking

    alwayslurking Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If Rey isn't offended by all the personal atrocities Kylo inflicted on her and those close to her, I don't know why she is suddenly going to be mad about anything Palpatine has one.
     
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  25. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Chosen One star 5

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    Just throwing this out there....

    But the rumour people interpreted as that Rey has to kill Kylo, it was originally worded as "I think Kylo kind of dies... Rey does something that takes him out."

    I was thinking this doesn't necessarily mean she "takes him out" like a target. I don't see solid indication it doesn't mean take him OUT of death.

    It just read like that to me.
     
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