ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

I’m being rational. Yes I think the idea of Rey helping evil villain number 1 take out an evil rival is comically stupid.

 

Depends on the context.

We don't know Palpatine's ultimate plans. He could be seeking total chaotic destruction where Kylo is at first aiming for galactic order.

Just to be clear I don't agree with Kylo on any front, but his goals will likely change.

 

it would be funny If they tried to redeem Palpatine. Rey: there is good in you. zap. ok maybe not.

 

If Palpatine is truly alive and well, and if Rey has a thing for bad boys. Forget Reylo, hello Reytine.

 

It's Rey Time!

 

The new leak for the Sith Troopers as a McGuffin Kylo is seeking sounds awesome. Obviously they will eventually answer only to Sidious.

Execute Order 67.

 

Palpatine possesses Jar Jar Binks. You're welcome.

 

Brings the saga full circle, what more could folks want? MIND MELTING!

 

Palpatine is a beautiful baby who did nothing wrong and just needs a big hug.

 

Well, Jar Jar is key! And that would be like...so meta...and half the people would totally hate it...and that's what makes a great movie! But omg, we talked about it so now it is an eXpEcTaTiOn and it needs to be subverted!

Only works for young guys with lucious hair.

 

ok, does this help?

 

There's at least as much planning out with this as there was with the OT. Same deal - big overarching story was settled on when doing movie 1, the details on how you get there are in flux so the directors can have some creative leeway.

PT's a little different, seemingly, but that's the odd trilogy out here, not the ST, in terms of degree to which it was mapped out concretely.

 

It’s funny. I have been advocating for a common enemy approach for IX for over a year.

I had always imagined the Matt Smith character being a Knight of Ren who usurps Kylo Ren, takes the FO, and lead Rey & Kylo Ren to work together to defeat them and the FO well before the end but having a third faction of Sith Troopers and super weapons and probably General Pryde doing his best Thrawn imitation as their Leader, and then Sidious the man coming back is even better and would require both of them to work together even more than my initial concept! That’s a ton of super powered antagonism!

Every reason I laid out back then for why I had a feeling JJ would create a common enemy though to unite them around eventually in IX was sound. Hopefully he also sees my heritage surprise at the end for Rey similar too.

 

I think you mean ... Reydious.

 

With this much shared antagonism for both the Resistance survivors and Kylo Ren and the Knights to face it would be cool if some of Luke’s former students, beyond just Ben Solo, are redeemed in the end so that Luke can feel slightly better at the end the way Obi-Wan did once he saw Anakin’s return to the Light. Especially if they converse with him later in the EU and he’s still guiding them from the beyond.

 

IMO Matt Smith has to be one of the Knights of Ren. they are clearly important. and matt smith doesn't seem to have a character listed, so he would be just randomly turning up to be taken over by Palpatine.

 

Shared this earlier in another thread but it somewhat ties into Kylo Ren as well.

The fact these are Sith Troopers also better separates the organizations of Empire and First Order from the importance of the Sith to Sidious.

Even though a Sith took over the Republic to build a military Empire this would indicate that his true passion was also ensuring the Sith live on.

And with Kylo Ren openly not wanting to follow the Sith traditions and wanting to go his own way the way Vader proposed things could go if he and Luke defeated Sidious, then it becomes more about Sidious wanting to bring the Sith and their ancient ways back in a big way.

 

My theory is that Kylo isn't a hated evil emperor of the galaxy. He's not benevolent but he's not wrecking everything either. This, in combination with his wanting to abandon the Sith principles, is what causes Palps (who's likely been manipulating things, including Snoke, from the outer rim) to unleash his secret clone Sith army of red troopers to attack Kylo Ren's new order and rebuild the Sith empire. I also think that the Knights of Ren are now acting as generals in the Sith Army of red troopers ala the scene from the teaser where it looks like Kylo rock bottoms a knight of Ren while a first order trooper is shooting at someone (likely red troopers) in the background. IMO this is the only way that they can realistically have the "war of all wars" in the franchise since the Resistance is in no shape to wage any kind of real war since at the end of TLJ you could fit the entire Reistance on the Falcon. I imagine the Resistance will find themselves in an alliance with the First Order somehow in an effort to defeat the Emperor. I also imagine the Hux will ally himself with the Emperor and the Sith forces since he clearly hates Kylo.

As for Rey, Finn, etc, they are probably going to find themselves on a quest to defeat the Emperor before he regains his full power and the force ghosts of Luke, Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Yoda will be helping in some sort of capacity. The Emperor will likely be a Sith spirit througout most of the movie that is trying to possess a new body and that's probably where the acolyte comes into play towards the end in a final confrontation between Rey/Kylo/Force Ghosts and The Emperor.

Anyway, it's just a theory but it makes sense based on the rumors I've heard and the things we saw in the teaser.

 

With more spoilers starting to come through, I think here's where I bow out and stick to the box office thread round here.

 

Ditto. It's been fun everybody, I look forward to the discussion later in December!

 

Could someone please explain to me how this leak is good for Kylo and for Reylo? On Reddit, I've seen lots of Kylo/Reylo fans really excited about what this means for that story, and I just don't get it. In fact, I actually went back to MSW's site earlier because I wondered if I'd missed a paragraph. To me, Reylo happening after this (if the spoiler is even accurate) would be like Marion hooking up with the Nazi guy in Raiders of the Lost Arc after he gets his face melted off from opening the arc of the covenant. Anyone able to clue me in to what I'm missing?

 

TLJ novel:

Here his face is wet too, for no apparent reason.

Maybe this is the last time we see his mask.