ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

I would think he needs to help his own mother out before Rey......he owes her that much and more.

 

Mom doesn't turn him on. This story is deep.

 

Oh damn, I forgot about that part. Although I'm not sure that I watched anything where he exhibits the tell tale behaviors of being turned on by anything other than her power....lol

 

Ummmm....what?

 

He literally turns right after Leia dies. That’s what starts the whole redemptive arc thing off and also Rey wanting to break free of the dark side more and needing a moment to herself.

He needs time to grieve and then it all starts after that. I suspect that what will happen will be a kind of flashback of Leia, Luke and Han to he honest with Han at the end saying it’s not too late to change.

 

I honestly don't gas what he needs. He should've stopped being a POS before everyone who cares about him was dead. Too little, too late.

 

Time to grieve? Since when? TLJ happened. He moved from Leia's "death" like he went over a speed bump too fast.

 

Apparently he feels her loss for real in IX and knows it’s happened. It obviously impacts him more than he expected it to and it starts his contemplations on family that lead him toward redemption.

 

So fluffing what? He had plenty of opportunities to feel bad and contemplate that before she was dead. Dude straight up killed his dad in cold blood for trying to get him to come home to mommy, so obviously he doesn't care about her that much.

 

I *don't* understand the argument. It makes zero sense. Maybe Rey wants to be forcibly penetrated in her mind after fighting against it because she's lonely immediately after she finally found belonging for the first time in her life with people that don't abduct, assault, and torture her? How convenient for the story that Rey, our protagonist, just happens to want to be violated by her assaulter despite her protests. Eventually she figured out that it was good for her. Gaslighting is a positive thing!

 

Of course she'd like it, if she just let go of her expectations about not being violated and let herself enjoy it without thinking too hard.

 

Leia only has to die 3 times before Kylo starts to grieve for her.

 

It's frustrating because not only is it an unrealistic response, but also because it's clearly being done for no other reason then to prop up Kylo Ren. It's putting the focus on his story over that of the protagonist. The protagonist should not be a prop to the antagonist story.

 

Yes, yes, all of this.

I'm at the point where even the idea that Rey needed to get over her family boils down to nothing but gaslighting. This story has never been written by the men crafting it from the idea that Rey doesn't need to be set straight by others. She was wrong to believe in her family so deeply. She was wrong to hate Kylo. She was wrong to not want Kylo in her private space both in TFA and the beginning of TLJ. Kylo in her head is her destiny so she just needs to enjoy it dammit!

She'll be wrong in RoS too. They're all implying that she starts off hating him, and then she hears something that makes her not hate him. Then there's a 50/50 shot she'll look at him like he's Jesus at the end.

 

I guess he could tell Leia did not die in space. she mary poppins herself back after all. which means she was still conscious to a point. and thats if he even knew she got sucked out into space at all as he would be able to still sense she was alive.

And lets try not to ground the surviving space logic, because there is no way to do that.

 

I'm sure this will get explained in a comic some day. Can't wait.

 

If Leia’s death is supposed to be this one event that finally turns Kylo back to the light, way to go TLJ for completely ignoring how Leia’s death impacts Kylo, in the slightest, whether he even knows she’s dead, alive, comatose, or behind the giant ass door he’s shooting a mini Death Star canon at. The movie basically trivializes her death and says its not important outside of the 2 second pause he gave her while firing on ship.

 

I’m not even sure what we are arguing about any more.

1. We know Kylo Ren is evil.

2. We know he did awful things to his family and Rey.

3. We know that in real life evil people are less capable of dramatic change than what we see in movies.

4. We know that mental health exists in the real world but not Star Wars.

5. We know that in real life people who do the things that Kylo Ren has done face war tribunals or life in prison or execution.

6. We know you liked Anakin Skywalker more than Ben Solo.

7. On a personal note I know that some of you refuse to let go of the 50 Shades of Rey questions that I proposed in the past before we had a better idea of where IX might take things.

So what are we even arguing about any more?

A) That Star Wars isn’t different than real life?

B) That redemptive acts of awful people haven’t happened in Star Wars before?

C) That having 6 movies and making it father and son was a better redemptive arc for Darth Vader?

D) That some of you will find it hard to care about perception of change from Ben Solo?

E) That you’re still mad at VIII and the setup Johnson utilized to show Rey walking in Kylo Ren’s shoes as a possible apprentice who’s also dealing with her own dark side issues?

F) That there’s messaging risks that they need to avoid?

G) That some of you don’t like people online who don’t acknowledge these things?

H) That this is a competition for likes?

I) That you wish the first female Jedi was more like Captain Marvel or Ripley or Wonder Woman and an icon for feminist heroes?

Don’t we all know this? Like... if we can’t engage in good faith any more as we try to talk about IX and where things may go without CONSTANTLY seeking out likes by dismissively reverting and circling back to the same things above that we’ve all talked about for years as though we’ve made zero progress or found zero common ground in terms of a productive dialogue then it just feels like arguing with people based on having argued with them in the past.

Can’t we engage in good faith on the new developments with the common understanding of what we all know and how real life and Star Wars and punishment and redemption aren’t always aligned?

Like, I know that some of you would want nothing more than Kylo Ren to be castrated and you know that there are others online who wish they’d end up married. Can’t we move past wants that aren’t likely to happen and focus more on what seems likely to and where execution of certain concepts within their dynamic will be the difference between possible success or failure? I feel like that rarely happens in here and it’s there where some of the most interesting conversations probably exist that we can all contribute toward and perhaps find some common ground on.

Can’t we talk about the leaks of IX in that way?

That’s where I’m at with this personally right now.

 

So irritating. Everyone has to die for Kylo.....

 

But she did not die.

Its like having Anakin choke Padme. he then just left his pregnant wife on the ground, but claims he sensed her alive so thats ok i guess? its not until they are actually gone that it kicks in and it hit home for Anakin. its a dark side equivalent of not knowing what you had till its gone.

 

If Kylo knows Leia didn't die, then he ordered her death at the end of TLJ. Not any better.

 

Right. And I said that. TLJ doesn't care either way. It doesn't tell us that this event matters one iota, that it can't even be bothered to tell us whether or not Kylo knows she's alive, comatose, or not, and certainly tells us that either way, Kylo is completely okay with killing her on Crait. TLJ trivializes Leia's death, and upcoming deaths.