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Lit Ahsoka’s fate in the Old EU

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Darth Invictus, Nov 9, 2019.

  1. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Force Ghost star 5

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    So in the Nucanon we know where Ahsoka ends up(to a point anyway), as TCW has the weird and sole distinction of being both legends and canon that means Ahsoka’s fate post TCW in the old EU is undetermined as Rebels does not share that distinction being solely canon.

    But what are everyone’s thoughts of Ahsoka in the legends dark times and beyond?

    Personally I think she lived in exile, and felt guilty over Anakin’s fall, as well as retaining a lasting distrust of the Jedi, and she never joined Luke’s order, she may have observed its formation but I suspect she didn’t bother. If she ever learned Anakin was redeemed in the end, that may have given her some solace, but I doubt she wished to be involved any longer.

    The other option is that she died quite possibly at Vader’s hands.

    But what are everyone’s thoughts?
     
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  2. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Force Ghost star 4

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    Came back to Coruscant after the battle and died in the Jedi Temple at the hands of Darth Vader.
     
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  3. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    A good question is if the upcoming Clone Wars Season 7 will be considered canon to "Legends"? It would provide much needed closure on Legends Maul (it would explain why no one in ROTS discusses him presumably because they know he's being dealt with in Mandalore). It might likewise give closure to Legends Ahsoka.

    The most convenient way to handle Legends Ahsoka is pretend she was living on Alderaan working with the Rebels behind the scenes until its destruction.
     
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  4. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    It was established that several jedi were on Alderaan when it was destroyed, so adding Ahsoka, would be a simple fix.

    Or maybe she is with the hat man and just dies of old age after the Empire falls.

    Buuut, having her die at Vaders hands would be more tragic.
     
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  5. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Force Ghost star 5

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    That does bring up an interesting point, Will season 7 of TCW be an addition to the legends continuity as well?

    Even so, I don’t see how that would give much insight into legends Ahsoka post clone wars era.
     
  6. Mira Grau

    Mira Grau Force Ghost star 5

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    I would guess she died at some point of the empires height. Would defenetly prefer that over some contrived "she is hiding somewhere and just never got around to meet Luke or any of his order because of reason XYZ".
     
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  7. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    Alderaan seems the cleanest way to end Legends Ahsoka's story honestly. It's highly probable she'd be involved with Bail's group like in Canon, and the destruction of Alderaan gives a clean answer as to why she didn't show up post ANH.
     
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  8. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don’t see why we have to make up a story for Ahsoka or Maul just because their stories didn’t finish in 2014. Maul became a crime lord and was killed by Obi-Wan on Tatooine. Ahsoka joined the Rebellion and we still don’t know how she dies.


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  9. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    For me Ahsoka and the rest of TCW only exist in the canon universe.
     
  10. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    I like my idea better where the Solo film is actually "Han Solo and the Pirates of Kessel" holofilm in Legends https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Han_Solo_and_the_Pirates_of_Kessel , and Maul is an actor starring in that film. [face_laugh]
    Kind of hard to ignore her as she and TCW been plastered all over Legends since, including the Mortis/Abeloth story and the Jedi Path book where Ahsoka's handwritten notes are all over it.

    The old EU Anakin knighting timeline of 19 BBY also makes no sense as that means in Genndy's Clone Wars cartoon (Chapter 21) Ki Adi Mundi is still griping about the Battle of Hypori 3 years after it actually happened per the old EU timeline. TCW actually corrected that inconsistency by placing Anakin's knighting in 22 BBY.
     
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  11. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    Old Wounds? Cause I am down for that.

    I mean it's another mess into the end of the Clone Wars, so I would be happy if it wasn't counted.

    While I like TCW, it barely fits with other legends material (it also stops being about THE CLONE WARS when Maul shows up).
     
  12. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Force Ghost star 5

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    I don't really care for TCW much, and Ahsoka's presence is a massive continuity problem in itself not to mention things I still despise to this day, namely Maul being resurrected.

    But as I am wont to wonder especially about character's fates, Ahsoka's old EU fate does cross my mind from time to time.
     
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  13. Jid123Sheeve

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    It is sorta ironic how now with season 7 the Clone Wars has become the Maul v Ashoka show.

    granted as everyone has said TCW is quite a unique beast of the show.

    made in that nebulous time post prequels but pre Disney buyout
     
  14. sidv88

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    Can you explain what, aside from some date reordering, is the continuity problem of Ahsoka? Anakin never said "I never had a padawan ever" at any time in ROTS or afterwards.

    Having read the entire Clone Wars run, the massive continuity problems are Chancellor Valorum's resurrection and Barriss turning evil. His death clearly happened when Anakin was a padawan, and his TCW appearance clearly happened when Anakin was a knight. Normally we could say he just survived his assassination, but his death and Legends Quinlan's investigation of it was a very important part of Legends Quinlan's arc.

    Barriss turning evil wipes out some webcomics and also lines at the end of the Republic run (concurrent with ROTS) where Luminara gushes about Barriss.
     
  15. Hamburger_Time

    Hamburger_Time Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don't really get the tendency to act like these large continuity glitches began with TCW. Are we forgetting the Jedi and the Clone Army being on opposite sides of the Clone Wars, Fett's three or four different backstories, various characters that died multiple times... Valorum wasn't even the first character to die and then reappear without explanation; Dodonna was killed off in the newspaper strip, was just fine in Dark Empire a decade later, and this was only explained in one of the X-Wing novels a few years after THAT.
     
  16. AusStig

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    Yeah the comics were kind of their own thing. (Hat man died 3 times and is somehow running the galaxy in legacy)

    But the clones wars multi-media project, was pretty good about continuity, got further defined by the new essential chronology and then TCW ignored most of it, Anakin is a knight, so you could just set it at the end of the war but it mentioned genosis in the movie.

    Also characters act totally differently.

    it had a weird continuity, wasn't as good as what came before (it's best, while good, is not as good as the best of the MMP). So people prefer what came before.

    I like it as part of Canon, but not legends.
     
  17. Quinnocent-Till-Sith

    Quinnocent-Till-Sith Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Ahsoka surviving a fight with Vader by time travel and seeing the Galatic Civil War out as Gandalf the White or whatever is something the EU would do at first glance.
     
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  18. In my headcanon I try to ignore everything possible related to TCW in Legends
    But if you force me to talk about Ahsoka's fate for me she dies at the hands of Vader or Galen Marek kills her in a apprentice vs apprentice duel
     
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  19. sidv88

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    The only confirmed time travel into the past in the EU was an old Marvel Droids comic book that arguably wasn't even canon to Legends (Leland said Marvel comics are only canon if they're referenced elsewhere, and no other Legends work referenced this comic).
     
  20. The Positive Fan

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    If one wanted to be mischievous one could, from a certain point of view, say "Return of the Jedi" itself references it, as the comic reveals why the Ewoks see Threepio as a "golden god" in the film [face_devil] I am, of course, not mischievous and would never consider doing such a thing, although I will point out that the famous Legends story "Tilotny Throws a Shape" also features backwards time travel. I have no idea if it falls into that "it wasn't referenced elsewhere so it really isn't canon" loophole though.
     
  21. sidv88

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    Really geeky obscure fact here, but Dark Horse actually declared the Marvel UK Devilworlds (including the Tilotny story) comics as Infinities way back in 2000 something: http://web.archive.org/web/20031230221203/http://www.darkhorse.com/zones/starwars/timeline.php

    Strangely enough, LFL, Leland, and everyone else (maybe even Dark Horse too) forgot that later on and they were treated as canon to the EU.
     
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  22. The Positive Fan

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    I can't blame Dark Horse too much for assuming those Devilworlds stories were out of continuity - they're pretty darned weird! I notice on that page that Star Wars Tales is also marked as Infinities (no "some stories are canon, some aren't" caveats), so yeah, I guess someone either forgot or changed their mind about that too somewhere along the line.
     
  23. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Force Ghost star 5

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    Time travel to the past occurs in Tilotny throws a shape, the stormtroopers are sent 8,000 years in the past. Also the Bedlam spirits were referenced, at least once IIRC in Darth Plagueis.
     
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  24. sidv88

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    Dark Horse officially declared the Tilotny story noncanon to the EU: http://web.archive.org/web/20031230221203/http://www.darkhorse.com/zones/starwars/timeline.php
     
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  25. Iron_lord

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    Dark Horse doesn't get to make those kind of decisions - just because they think something's Infinities, doesn't mean that they're right.
     
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