ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

So the Star Wars fans that is critical of the sequel trilogy should only present their criticism in this thread?

 

I have no hope for this movie. It WILL be the result of many mistakes made by LF and its workers. Mistakes made on all levels.
It also was obvious that JJ wont be able to make the normal himan out of this monster of Frankenstain.
Which was basically confirmed by leaks.

 

Indeed. TLJ killed my confidence that TROS would definitely be good. It might be good but as I’ve said elsewhere I’m mostly filled with dread that they’re going to botch it up.

It doesn’t help that none of the supposed leaks give me anything that sounds good to me. Hopefully the leaks are wrong but I’m worried they aren’t.

Also I loved the initial TROS trailer but overall nothing I’ve seen has made me worry less about how TROS will turn out. Every time I see that Palpatine is in it reminds me of those stupid, stupid rumors about Rey. Man oh man I don’t want those to be true.

If they screw this one up I don’t think I can get invested in another one of these films.

 

I lost a lot of my negative energy when I stopped trying to believe that the ST are legitimate, canon Star Wars movies. Ever since I accepted that they are bootlegs and there will never be a real sequel trilogy, I don't have that indignation anymore.

 

TROS will likely be a entertaining movie, but I think TLJ pretty much ruined any chances of TROS being a satisfying ending to the "Skywalker Saga". Some of this is on JJ and his decision to handicap the ST in potential by destroying the New Republic, and Luke's Jedi Order, but we'll see I guess. I'm mainly watching this to see what they do with Finn, but the fact that they don't even seem to acknowledge the past conflict between him and Kylo Ren doesn't bode well for me.

 

Yeah, even if TROS is bad, middling, or good, it's still really not part of the true continuum of George Lucas Star Wars. None of these movies are. Just like all the Batman not made by Finger and Kane. Sometimes there's good Batman (Nolan brothers, Dini, Burton, O'Neil, etc.), sometimes there's bad, but it's not the originators Batman. Star Wars is like Batman now under Warner Bros..

 

My optimistic self tells me that I will somewhat enjoy TROS, since there is absolutely no way for it to be worse than the previous entry, and there are no more super important characters to me that can be completely deconstructed and ruined. They are all already either failures or dead. Or both.

My pessimistic self tells me that the above statement should never be a statement made for any Star Wars movie, when for the 20 years prior to 2015 the worst thing I had ever said about a Star Wars movie was "well it's not a perfect 10 but it's a 9".


I like that this topic exists, but I hope I don't post here very often.

 

This is definitely where I belong. I’m not someone that feels I need to see the leaks play out to say I hate the leaks. I’m a consumer of fiction in all mediums. I know what kinds of stories I like. The RoS leaks ain’t it.

But if I was waiting for execution, the trailers and promotions have been garbage. So bad imo, I feel mean saying how bad I think they’ve been. I thought it would at least be visually appealing, but honestly I think the visuals are basically like the worst of TFA. I think the exterior DS shots are trying to be like the best of TFA, but for me they’re not. They’re dour and unappealing. And the problem with the visuals of TFA is they’re among the worst in SW films for me. I’m not talking about special effects btw. I’m talking about world building and atmosphere. I like the above Big Mac analogy. JJ visuals are like a Big Mac.

And then we have the posters, yowza. SW posters are a thing I never knew I looked forward to so much until the consistent disappointment of these. It feels like LF has given up. Or maybe I just want to believe they’ve given up, because I don’t want to believe this is the best they could do. Not when the marketing for The Mandalorian and TFA exists. Even TLJ. I was in the minority in that I didn’t like the trailer at all, and the red gimmick in the marketing irritated me, but at least the character posters were interesting and the actors looked good. They were memorable. For RoS, they exist, and that’s about it.

 

I really don't like any of the "leaks" that I have been hearing. Not one bit.
Rey as a Palpatine, if true, feels like lazy storytelling.
To wrap up the Skywalker Saga with just some disembodied voice the actual Skywalker the first two trilogies were about would be stupid.
I have very little optimism where this movie is concerned.

I'm sure I will be back with more. These were just off the top of my head.

 

Do you want fries with that?

 

I'm not interested in TROS because the leaks AND the promos look awful. So seriously I don't need to see it to have clarity on that. Not to mention I'm not gonna subject myself to more Crylo and Rey.

TLJ was equal parts infuriating and boring to me. I believe TROS will not be boring but just infuriating. That's not better.

 

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones in that I thought making a "Sequel Trilogy" was a fundamentally bad idea from the start so it wasn't possible to be really "disappointed," just vindicated.

I see TROS as a face-saving manuever now - there's no way they could cancel it outright without being a PR nightmare. Just shove it out the door, get it out of the way and then do what they should have done from the start: focus on Mandalorian-style shows and movies that strand off independently from the numbered saga. They could even have made one of those miniseries revisit the OT3 to satisfy that nostalgia itch. It's unlikely they'll ever decanonize the ST continuity outright but expect to see it slowly fade out through neglect as future works passively-aggressively steer around, ignore or soft-retcon the inconvenient bits of it.

 

Well going from the leaks which are being proven more and more true the movie is gonna be a big disaster that will rival Game of Thrones. Especially since they're promoting it as the end of the entire saga which means around 40 years of storytelling.

 

This thread feels like home.

RJ: Your Snoke theory sucks.
JJ: Hold my beer.

 

This is the first Star Wars movie that Im not even planning on seeing. There’s no rush to see it. My company shuts down between xmas and new years, our baby will be in day care, our family will be in town to visit...i will have plenty of free ‘me’ time that week and...

I just don’t really need to see it. It’s like any other movie.

The leaks don’t paint a picture of a movie excites me. I do not care about Rey Palpatine. At all! It’s probably the worst decision they could have made for the character. I have no interest in seeing the conclusion to the Palpatine Saga.

 

If the leaks are true and Rey is a Palpatine then for me TROS is the worst way to end the Skywalker Saga.
TFA setup the ST in a great way, then TLJ came and ruined most of it.

I'm just very sad (and angry) at what they did to SW, TROS is not going to save it.

 

I went into the sequel trilogy with 3 lines that could not be crossed IMO....

1) Don’t cross the line of detracting from the original story (the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker as the Chosen One)...

2) Don’t do anything that devalues the 1-6 saga or its characters

3) Don’t try to outdo the previous 6 film saga

My thoughts after TFA: Not a bad movie, wasn’t crazy about Starkiller base (Why does there have to be an even worse Death Star, but ok), let’s see where this goes...

My thoughts after TLJ: I just watched the worst movie of all time. The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of Anakin was just dismantled before my eyes, the entire 1-6 saga was devalued (Luke’s story was horrible), it was a blatant attempt to take unnecessary risks with the force and just about everything Star Wars, all while letting political agendas drive narrative.

My thoughts going in to this: There is no way to recover from TLJ. And, the leaks, if true, set this up to get even worse, and the complete deconstruction or the Skywalker Saga (not its completion). I am beyond appalled by Disney Star Wars.

However, the one nice thing about all of this is that it is so different than Lucas’ Star Wars that I can easily dismiss it (Just as I can various movies which have been retconned as not part of their franchises mythos [i.e. Terminator, Superman Returns, Never Say Never, etc. etc.]. Disney Star Wars is to Star Wars what Joel Schumacher’s Batman entries are to Batman as far as I’m concerned. It takes place in the same twisted universe as the Christmas Special for all I care.

 

It’s tragic TRoS is going’s to give us an ending like RoTJ. Emperor dead (for realz this time...) Kylo becomes Ben again but still dies. Rey is the new last Jedi, etc.

But it sure won’t copy the upbeating tone of RoTJ because if the leaks are accurate the skywalker bloodline is extinct.

It’s upseting to think that that Palpatine/Snoke set into motion the events that led to them all dying in some way.

 

Yeah, and that's just baffling. The story is literally ending in the same spot as ROTJ (Palpatine shows up for the final battle, evil Skywwalker redeemed, New Jedi wins and remakes the order, FO is defeated), only worse because I don't care about any of the new characters accomplishing this.

Kinda just proves to me how uncreative the entire thing is. You get the keys to Star Wars and you end up driving around the block once.

 

I looked at both of these threads and ummed and erred where to post. This is primarily because I remain 'cautiously optimistic' about TROS; but then as I've said before, my thoughts of TROS (regarding the leaks) come from a very different place than most folks. However, in the spirit of this being a 'take a side' sort of thing, I thought I would dive in....

There is no question in my mind, that despite my general outlook, this could be a truly awful film. I despised TLJ with a passion; I see the sequels as a series of missed opportunities; bad world building and character development; horrible slapdash attempts at representation; numerous plot holes; undermining of previous SW canon; and individual ideas so horrible that they don't even belong in juvenile fan fiction.

Not only this, but they saw fit to bring back Palpatine which, barring a miracle, will undermine the ending of ROTJ still further. It will also, if the rumours are correct, turn this into the Palpatine saga, not the Skywalker one (unless my own thoughts on them being one and the same family are right, and they may very well not be).

I could end up loving this film, but only if so much of the stuff we're hearing is totally out of context or straight up BS. If I do end up hating it, I could see my review largely consisting of:

Pros:
1) It looks nice.
2) Er...
3) That's it.

 

I'm not angry anymore, mostly just sad. In retrospect this entire trilogy is one big missed opportunity and there is no chance for a do-over.

 

I’m still angry lol. I have been down on the ST since I heard the first true rumors for TFA. Just when I thought they could not screw up anymore the leaks drop about Rey Palpatine etc.. At this point I will not see this movie. In fact the whole Episode I-IX era is ruined for me so nothing associated with it interests me.

The only SW that I might give a shot in the future is something set in the far past that makes no reference to anything associated with everything that has come before.

 

fixed it.