ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

Well, yeah, very true. I've thought of quite a few scenarios to make Rey both a Skywalker and a Solo that I think are pretty decent, and I'm definitely not the most creative person in the world. But I do think TLJ made any answer harder, mainly because IMO the answer should have come in TLJ. Plus, TLJ really contradicted TFA. In TFA, Rey sees her parents flying off in a ship and calls out to them. In TLJ, Rey's parents sold her for drinking money and are in a paupers grave. So at this point, you not only have to explain the parentage, but you have to come up with a convoluted answer to explain those contradictions.

 

ok Ben Solo is a Skywalker by blood. He was a failure just like his parents, uncle and grandfather before him. That’s Anakin’s legacy right now.

 

This bothered me about FInn right from the get go. His character doesn't match his backstory at all. He should have simply been a fresh naive recruit who wasn't fully aware of what the First Order is up to. But this would have required elaborating on the politiical climate early on in the movie and JJ appeared to be afraid of including any politics in TFA. I still don't understand what was the reasoning for establishing that the First Order is made up of kidnapped children. Because we'd be more sympathetic to Finn because he never willingly joined the First Order? At least in IX they're bringing back the child soldier plot element with Lando and Janna so it's not a complete waste. But when they did TFA they had no idea they'd be doing it.

 

I would personally rather have TLJ contradicted than have Luke and Anakin’s legacies go nowhere good.
And Kylo’s redemption wouldn’t help matters in my opinion.

Either way, he lied about Rey’s heritage. I’d rather it go somewhere that helps our legacy characters.

 

I really appreciate this thread. My goal in posting on this site is not to bring down people who are excited for the movie. However, it's very cathartic to share gripes with fellow fans. Even though I know they wouldn't want this site permanently split into bashers and gushers threads (a sentiment I agree with), it's nice for each side to have a safe space, so to speak, to cheer or rant with the movie just a few weeks away. Thank you mods!

On to more complaining...

I will never understand the decision to not have Anakin, Luke, and Leia in at least force ghost form for the final defeat of Palpatine. I'm sure the reasoning is that this is Rey's movie, which I get in theory. However, this is also the culmination of the Skywalker Saga. Like it or not, Rey needs to share the spotlight. Plus, if there is one thing that End Game showed us, it's that multiple heroes can share the spotlight and it can still be Iron Man's big moment in the end. This is not only the conclusion of 3 movies, it's the conclusion of 9. That's what they keep saying. Yet almost everything about this ending feels like the conclusion to just this one movie. It feels so self contained. The only connection is same villain, but that's not enough.

Even worse... Not only are they not back in some kind of physical or force ghost form, but they are now just a few voices among many, some of which are cartoon characters seen by what, a million people? Not only are they failing to elevate the Skywalkers in their final movie, but they are basically demoting them to just one among many. They are taking it the opposite direction. Crazy.

 

The leaks are all so nonsensical that I have a hard time believing they represent the movie. But after TLJ made it all the way to the screen, I can't pretend to be confident that anyone is actually minding the larger story.

 

After VIII had the most bloated character roster ever, IX now has the most bloated character roster ever in a SW movie (look at the credits blocks on the posters) and also Chris Terrio said he's bring 23 character arcs (if you can call them that) or whatever ridiculous number to a close.

More is not better. And it's a horrible trend in the industry with just shoving as many major characters into a single movie as possible while adding new ones.

 

I felt that way at first, and I'm still not giving up on the dream. However, I think the reason I have lost hope a bit is that they don't seem very confident in their product. They seem a bit on edge about their choices. Maybe I'm just reading things into the interviews too much, but that's the strong vibe I get. Were they to have Rey Skywalker/Solo and redeemed Ben Solo fighting down Palpatine with a Skwyalker force ghost portals moment? I think that's an automatic crowd pleaser. Some might call it safe or fan-service, but I think we've all seen enough movies to know that's the kind of thing that's gonna get audiences excited. That's not the kind of decision you worry about, but Rey Palpatine Skywalker might have you quaking in your boots about how your out there decisions will be received. IDK, though. Maybe they're just scared of Reylos after a Rey Related reveal.

 

The fact that most of TROS is a macguffin hunt tells me Abrams didn't know what to do with this final film.

 

I look at my old posts dated by 2015, 2016 and 2017, and, well, can i say i was wrong saying TLJ plot will copy ESB back in 2015 and 2016? Nope.

Can i not be dreaded by the fact that everythin i said back in 2015 about Rey will stay true even by the end of TROS if to believe leaks?
https://boards.theforce.net/threads...ters-sanctuary.50036931/page-57#post-53138437

Oh, and Poe too:

No wonder Oscar Isaac dont want to be in SW anymore. Who would like to play placeholder character other than because of money?

Can i not be sad this stuff i posted back in 2015 about Leia, Han and Luke still stays unchanged and will stay unchanged?
https://boards.theforce.net/threads...e-awakens-here.50035537/page-20#post-52986944

Can i not laugh at this now, when mostof the stuff i described back in 2016 actually happened?
https://boards.theforce.net/threads...ussion-thread.50035604/page-139#post-53939688

Like, damn, Lucasfilm made mistakes every step, they got so much useful and good feedback which they just brushed off ike annoying ****, just to make the same goddamn mistakes and change nothing.

This attitude should not be encouraged. Make good SW movies, Lucasfilm. You cant slap SW label on **** story and **** characters and ask for money. Because without SW label your ST movie is a garbage, terrible mess of a plot and disgustingly written characters. And people wonder why other people mad. Because SW always had one of the most memorable and well written characters in a fooking history and one of the most well writtern stories in a history. That 180 change from Greatness to Mediocrity is a real kick in the balls.

And guess what, Palpatine returned. What an idiotic move on writers' part. JJ said that it makes sense since Palpatine is the main villain and there was stuff abut cheating death, and thats why JJ should not be allowed to write stories for SW. He cant into literture tropes. He is worse than a first grade student of literarute class.

You cant lead 6/9 of saga to an absolutely glorious culmination and triumph just to make villain return in the last 1/9 part of the saga.
Yes, he was main villain, but it doesnt mean you should ruin your own already perfectly and logically ended story with this return just because there was some talk about cheating death in one opera scene in one movie for about 3 minutes of screentime.
Especially not in a such half-assed way they gona do it in TROS.
There was no buildup, not foreshadowing, Palpatine-type place was taken by Snoke and there was nothing neither in plot nor in Snoke's personality to give an idea that it was Palpatine all around. Neither there was a hint of bigass fleet of DS STs somewhere out there.

What a joke of a story and another spit in people's face.

 

Indeed. A lot of people here seemed to be against ReySky in part because it would be too convoluted and confusing to explain. So what do we possibly have ahead of us? Rey Palpatine! Ha! Yeah nothing convoluted or confusing about that parentage reveal!

 

This so much. TROS needed to focus on the characters we already have (after TLJ wasted all of them) not introduce a buncn of new ones in the final film of the trilogy and the saga.

 

Don't even get me started on Jannah being introduced to be Lando's long lost daughter.

 

Exactly.

Oh, I think they can. They'll rely on casual fan goodwill - which I think is a mistake. RO showed that the 'casual fans' are pretty attentive to details too.

This is the asteroid that Disney can't avoid. It may be that streaming will enable them to mitigate the hit as the main bulk of the audience figure SW is done with the Skywalkers. That's what has been marketed, that gets believed and well, what reason is there to stay interested? Story's done, right?

No, we haven't. It's a great bad guy line, but as an actual thing? Nope.

They already nixed doing Luke, Han and Leia, why would they care about this? The likely response: Disney didn't fail you, your expectations failed Disney. Worked as an all-purpose defence of TLJ, might as well roll it out again.

 

Even the haters distrust the guy.

Some of them.

 

It would explain why Snoke and Ben Solo were able to come to power: Anakin was created as a Trojan Horse to destroy the Jedi by making them think they'd found the Chosen One. "Misread, the prophecy may have been." Dare I say it? Rey could be the real Chosen One. It would explain how she has natural abilities far greater than Anakin or Luke.

*dodges tomatoes, then runs and hides*

 

That would make Rey even more obnoxious. She is bland, overpowered and doesn`t really earn her victories. And she gets propped by tearing down characters before her. That is the worst kind of Chosen One writing.

 

Well my feelings on TROS have remained relatively the same since the big leaks came out months ago....

I look at the supposed story and see that the big rewards of the movie and this trilogy are

1. Rey takes Lukes Jedi Legacy
2. Sids is killed....Again
3. The Manbaby gets a redemption story

1 and 3 just outright enrages me and I feel killing Sids again hasn't been setup good enough...so im left thinking that for me....


I'll hang around until the premiere to see what context/changes there might be...but Im pretty resigned to the fact Im probably not going to want to see this one in theaters.
I wish it wasn't the case...because I know there are so many people at LF who worked their butts off but Im just diametrically opposed to a lot of the decisions regarding the story that I cant justify another movie ticket purchase.....

Since the day MSW put out the call sheets to TFA....I knew this ST wasn't really for me...but I forced myself to give it a shot and even went to TLJ out of respect for Hamill......but I just cant with this one as it stands.

 

Rey does not have abilities far greater than Anakin or Luke. Anakin would cut her in half 10 seconds after combat was initiated.

Also, the first post in this thread literally says "no defending of the films from those who are positive towards it"

 

Do we need this thread? isn't every thread this

 

I'm not defending the films, just playing Devil's Advocate. If you go back a couple pages, you can see that I'm not exactly positive toward the way these films were set up.

But objectively speaking, Rey is a Mary Sue, so she would take down Anakin.

 

We don't. But it's great to have it.

Also, the purpose of this thread is so that not every other thread turns into this thread eventually. It's really a shield from negativity, for those that don't wanna see any of that stuff. If I were you, I wouldn't really open this thread, it will be ugly

 

You know what is sad?

GL made a great trilogy and ended it perfectly in 1983. But it stuck in his mind that there was more of the story to tell so he made another trilogy that dovetailed into it, gave us some new context and made the original ending more powerful (in my opinion)

Then years go by and his imagination is still churning and he decides that he wants to add to the story and even gets the OT3 actors signed on to his story. And i dont think they would have if they thought it sucked, especially notoriously grouchy Harrison Ford.

But it all gets chucked away and we will never see his overall arc.

I know, i know...it could have been lousy and he did get reimbursed with 4 billion dollars...so im not shedding a tear for the guy.

But all the same, its probably going to be a big regret that he is gonna take all the way to the grave. This unfinished thing that just eats at him.

Kind of sucks all around.

 

The more, the better!

But honestly, if rots turns out to be really bad, and a lot of people dislike it (something similar to TLJ), than this thread will avoid a lot of chaos i suppose.

 

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