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Avnar Force Ghost

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Lulu Mars said: ↑

Wait a minute. If "you have ever heard" is meant to be Snoke... are they implying that Snoke has only existed inside everybody's heads?
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Should have just left him as a hologram then...

Avnar, Dec 12, 2019

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Daxon101 Force Ghost

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Lulu Mars said: ↑

Wait a minute. If "you have ever heard" is meant to be Snoke... are they implying that Snoke has only existed inside everybody's heads?
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Well according to the leaks, there are snoke clones there in chambers too. so its probably more just a figure of speech. basically Palpatine was the one behind it all. every word snoke said that got into Bens head was influenced by Palpatine

Plus Rey see him and Han and Leia knew of him.

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Daxon101, Dec 12, 2019

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Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost

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Lulu Mars said: ↑

Wait a minute. If "you have ever heard" is meant to be Snoke... are they implying that Snoke has only existed inside everybody's heads?
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I was thinking it meant Snoke was controlled by Palaptine. Or sometimes Ben Solo thought Snoke was communicating with him but it was really Palpatine in his head. Those conversations never came up with the real Snoke.

Daxon101 said: ↑

Lulu Mars said: ↑

Wait a minute. If "you have ever heard" is meant to be Snoke... are they implying that Snoke has only existed inside everybody's heads?
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Well according to the leaks, there are snoke clones there in chambers too. so its probably more just a figure of speech.

Plus Rey see him and Han and Leia knew of him.
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Seems Palaptine needed a physical version of his stand in for some things.

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Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid, Dec 12, 2019

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Lulu Mars Chosen One

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Daxon101 said: ↑

Plus Rey see him and Han and Leia knew of him.
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That's why I said "everyone's".

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Lulu Mars, Dec 12, 2019

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CaptainSuchandSuch Jedi Master

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What do you guys think about these new rumors from reddit?

Today's leaks have corroborated info I received a while back

First, I must say that I am not at liberty to reveal the identity of my source, but this is the part where trust comes in. Either way, we will know soon enough if this is accurate or not. Also note that this information may be subject to change with edits the film received since this information was given to me a few months ago. I was largely skeptical of what I was told for the most part, but now it is seeming increasingly likely. So here is what I can tell you:

I will start with the least significant detail I was told: apparently, the Porg that accompanied Chewbacca during the climax of TLJ will still remain on the Falcon for the duration of the film, but will have a mostly minor role until the climax. When Lando and Chewie take the Falcon to rescue Finn and Jannah from General Pryde's flagship, they find their only route to rescue the two is through an exhaust port too small to squeeze into. So they send the Porg inside, who manages to reach a control lever and open a hangar door, allowing Finn and Jannah to escape. Later on during the celebration, Maz is starting to give a medal to Chewbacca, saying he deserves it, but in an unexpected comedic moment, she places the medal on the Porg instead. According to my contact, "The Porg screeches happily, and the last time we see Chewbacca in the film is him growling in discontent."

Now getting to more important story beats. My contact tells me James Earl Jones' voice will be heard communicating to Kylo Ren once or twice in the first half of the film before Rey destroys Vader's helmet. I am told that Vader's voice does not have a "mechanized filter" but just sounds purely like Jones' voice (think Mufasa). A dark side "echo" of Vader created by Palpatine due to the combination of Palpatine's electricity contacting Vader's suit and the subsequent blast of the reactor flaring over Vader. The "echo" has been trying to guide Kylo Ren to finish what Vader started, which is one of the central mysteries of the film.

Regarding C-3PO's memory: in order to gain permission to translate the Sith writing, Threepio must be given special modification by his own maker. The leaks thus far have inaccurately stated that C-3PO's memory is wiped prior to boarding Kylo's ship, when it is actually the other way around. This is Rey's initial motivation for going after Vader's helmet so that an audio chip from Vader's mask can speak a command into Threepio to modify him. Rey must crack open the helmet with her lightsaber in order to find the chip. The consequence of this upgrade is that this causes Threepio to develop Vader's personality, and from this point on through Act II, Threepio is voiced by James Earl Jones and believes himself to be Darth Vader. I'm told this is not played off humorously, but rather seriously. When Artoo eventually restores Threepio's memory, he not only restores his OT memory but his PT memory also, causing Threepio to remember that Padme Amidala and Anakin Skywalker are his true masters whom he must serve.

When Ben experiences his hallucination of Han, Anakin and Obi-Wan are also present. However, they performed through archival footage of Sebastian Shaw and Alec Guinness. My contact states that there was no indication of Hayden Christensen or Ewan McGregor being in the film, possibly because "the general audience wouldn't have recognized them", (though this speculation seems inconsistent with the presence of a prequel actor later in the film, so I don't buy it personally). And when Ben sheds the moniker of "Kylo Ren" and becomes Ben Solo once more, he also decides to honor the man whom he was named after, by taking on the name "Ben Solo-Kenobi".

While Rey is talking to Luke on Ahch-to, Luke reveals his regret that he couldn't fulfill the void in her heart for a father figure, and Luke suggests that Palpatine will play on this need so that Rey will turn to him as a father figure instead. At this point, Rey tells Luke firmly, "No, you are my father", and it is from this point in the film that Rey adopts the name Skywalker. And the two embrace, with Luke whispering, "My baby girl". I'm told this is a very emotional scene. And as Rey also felt a maternal connection with Leia, she also tells Luke that she is adopting the name Organa as well.

Around this section of the film, General Hux attempts to take command of the Final Order in Kylo Ren's absence, visiting Endor to ensure Ren is dead. However, Pryde had sabotaged his TIE Fighter, and thus Hux crashes on the planet. Crawling from the wreck, the fire and smoke attracts the attention of a giant turtle monster, who chases a screaming Hux into the woods with its gaping mouth, and we hear his screams turn into defeated squeaks and gurgling as we can only assume that he's being eaten.

Regarding the nature of Palpatine's return: his face is largely obscured under his hood through most of the movie up until the climactic confrontation, other than the whites of his eyes. When Rey finally confronts him and meets him face-to-face, it is revealed that it is the face and figure of Padme Amidala in the cloak, skeletal and rotted. I'm told that Natalie Portman gave the live performance, but that Ian McDiarmid provides the vocal performance. I'm also told that we hear a dark, "horror movie" variation of Across the Stars, and that Padme's exhumed coffin from Naboo is also seen in Palpatine's laboratory prior, hinting to this revelation. I'm further told that the cast and crew nicknamed this persona "Padmatine".

I'm told that in a shocking moment, R2-D2 reveals he has had the capacity to speak English all these years, with JJ Abrams lending his own voice as Artoo. I'm told that when Padmatine is revealed to a horror-stricken Rey, Artoo further shocks her by remarking clearly, "Yeah, spooky, right?" At this point he also curls the blue strips on the front of his body into the shape of a smile.

I'm also told that the laboratory features a web of "connections" in photos as easter eggs, showing that the ultimate Sith plot has been unraveling since the prequels. I'm told there are photos of Ian McDiarmid in his "senator" persona from TPM, a Muun who is presumably Plagueis, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Hayden Christensen's Anakin. There are also photos of Padme Amidala, R2-D2, C-3PO, as well as Representative Jar Jar Binks (which may be intended to lend fire to "Jar Jar is a Sith" debates) and finally an unknown character played by Matt Smith. I'm given the impression that Matt Smith was once a key figure in a subplot which has since been deleted, and will presumably be covered in novels instead.

Padmatine explains to Rey that he had always promised Anakin the secret to cheat death and save Padme, and he fulfilled his promise. However, as Anakin is no longer around to appreciate this, Padmatine is instead offering Rey the secret to cheat death in order to save Ben from the deadly fate that awaits him which Leia foresaw. Furthermore, as it is revealed that Palpatine is Rey's grandfather, and that Palpatine is possessing Padme's body, Padmatine declares that Rey's legal name is in fact Rey Palpatine-Amidala.

It's revealed that Padmatine's true motives are to "reunite the Skywalker family again", with the picture nearly complete with the arrival of Artoo and a restored Threepio. Padmatine was hoping to resurrect Anakin either through Threepio's Vader modification or through the echo in Vader's helmet. This is what the Vader echo was ultimately manipulating Ben into, in "finishing what he started", which is saving Anakin and Padme's little family unit. I'm under the impression that Padme's spirit is not really in her body, only Palpatine's spirit, but that traces of Padme's memory and personality also emerge from her brain, so it is sort of Padme but not really. Also, Artoo has been aware of this plot all along since the prequel era and has been helping to finally bring it into fruition in the sequel era.

Because Luke and Leia are now dead, Padmatine is instead trying to fill their void in the family unit with two new twins, cloned from Luke and Leia's DNA, who are growing within a robotic tube - like an "artificial womb", inside Padmatine's corpse. When Padmatine opens her cloak to reveal her pregnant belly, we can see the mechanical tube through her rotting flesh and ribcage. I'm told that the clone fetuses of Luke and Leia have a mild resemblance to Snoke, though I'm not clear what this implication is for Snoke's character.

The last step in Padmatine's plan is to bring Anakin back, which is achieved through unifying the power of the bond between Rey and Ben. This creates a huge surge in the Force which Palpatine uses to materialize Anakin's spirit. However, because Sebastian Shaw is not alive to film crucial new scenes, it's revealed that Anakin's spirit is able to manifest as a massive sloth creature which resembles Shaw through CGI.

Anakin meets Ben in the pit, and the latter finally understands his purpose, and in a moment of pure pottery, he vows, "I will finish what you started", but the line has a more positive context in this scene. Ben gains a newfound power in the Force to morph into a sloth also as his grandfather did, and climbs back up and out.

While Rey is being visited by Force ghosts, we hear many familiar voices from across various Star Wars media. I'm told that an archival snippet of Dexter Jettster saying "Well whaddaya know" is also heard among the stream of ghostly voices. Apparently, this was a prank on JJ by his canon consultants, who led him to believe that Dex was a Jedi. I'm told that JJ is still not aware.

I'm also told that in an alternate version from Colin Trevorrow's script, it was going to be Captain Panaka rather than Padme whose figure Palpatine would have possessed. Panapatine would have said, "We're sitting ducks!" which would have been revealed as a Force power which would morph Rey into a quacking duck. This would have been a lead-in to the idea of Anakin and Ben manifesting as sloths. However, Panaka was deemed too unfamiliar to the audience when Abrams took over.

Ben emerges from the pit in sloth form and revives an unconscious Rey with "a gentle but intimate kiss", drawing the power of love and the Light Side to revive her. But worried that it's not enough to sustain her, that she might lose the will to live as his grandmother did, Ben asks her to marry him right there on the spot, and she agrees tearfully. With Threepio and Artoo as witnesses, mirroring the ending of AOTC, they take on Klaud, who had just arrived to check in on them for the Resistance, as their minister. After Klaud asks them each if they take the other as their lawful-wedded spouse, Rey states "I do", but then Ben hesitates, and she says she knows Ben doesn't really want to do this. But Ben reassures her, "No, ... I do" and he kisses her passionately.

Threepio and Artoo suggest that the two settle down at Lars Homestead where Ben's family originated. However, since the farm still is legally owned under the Lars family, the two must adopt the Lars name also. However, Ben for some reason wanders off, never to be seen again, leaving Rey alone.

In the final scene, Rey is single and alone with a baby. A stranger there (who fans will recognize as the long-snooted Garindan) comments that no one has lived at this home and asks her name. Rey, teary-eyed, states, "Rey. Rey Skywalker-Organa-Palpatine-Amidala-Solo-Kenobi-Lars." The single mother then observes the Twin Suns, cradling her baby, who is revealed to be Baby Yoda, and the scene cuts to the credits.

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Daxon101 Force Ghost

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CaptainSuchandSuch said: ↑

What do you guys think about these new rumors from reddit?

Today's leaks have corroborated info I received a while back

First, I must say that I am not at liberty to reveal the identity of my source, but this is the part where trust comes in. Either way, we will know soon enough if this is accurate or not. Also note that this information may be subject to change with edits the film received since this information was given to me a few months ago. I was largely skeptical of what I was told for the most part, but now it is seeming increasingly likely. So here is what I can tell you:

I will start with the least significant detail I was told: apparently, the Porg that accompanied Chewbacca during the climax of TLJ will still remain on the Falcon for the duration of the film, but will have a mostly minor role until the climax. When Lando and Chewie take the Falcon to rescue Finn and Jannah from General Pryde's flagship, they find their only route to rescue the two is through an exhaust port too small to squeeze into. So they send the Porg inside, who manages to reach a control lever and open a hangar door, allowing Finn and Jannah to escape. Later on during the celebration, Maz is starting to give a medal to Chewbacca, saying he deserves it, but in an unexpected comedic moment, she places the medal on the Porg instead. According to my contact, "The Porg screeches happily, and the last time we see Chewbacca in the film is him growling in discontent."

Now getting to more important story beats. My contact tells me James Earl Jones' voice will be heard communicating to Kylo Ren once or twice in the first half of the film before Rey destroys Vader's helmet. I am told that Vader's voice does not have a "mechanized filter" but just sounds purely like Jones' voice (think Mufasa). A dark side "echo" of Vader created by Palpatine due to the combination of Palpatine's electricity contacting Vader's suit and the subsequent blast of the reactor flaring over Vader. The "echo" has been trying to guide Kylo Ren to finish what Vader started, which is one of the central mysteries of the film.

Regarding C-3PO's memory: in order to gain permission to translate the Sith writing, Threepio must be given special modification by his own maker. The leaks thus far have inaccurately stated that C-3PO's memory is wiped prior to boarding Kylo's ship, when it is actually the other way around. This is Rey's initial motivation for going after Vader's helmet so that an audio chip from Vader's mask can speak a command into Threepio to modify him. Rey must crack open the helmet with her lightsaber in order to find the chip. The consequence of this upgrade is that this causes Threepio to develop Vader's personality, and from this point on through Act II, Threepio is voiced by James Earl Jones and believes himself to be Darth Vader. I'm told this is not played off humorously, but rather seriously. When Artoo eventually restores Threepio's memory, he not only restores his OT memory but his PT memory also, causing Threepio to remember that Padme Amidala and Anakin Skywalker are his true masters whom he must serve.

When Ben experiences his hallucination of Han, Anakin and Obi-Wan are also present. However, they performed through archival footage of Sebastian Shaw and Alec Guinness. My contact states that there was no indication of Hayden Christensen or Ewan McGregor being in the film, possibly because "the general audience wouldn't have recognized them", (though this speculation seems inconsistent with the presence of a prequel actor later in the film, so I don't buy it personally). And when Ben sheds the moniker of "Kylo Ren" and becomes Ben Solo once more, he also decides to honor the man whom he was named after, by taking on the name "Ben Solo-Kenobi".

While Rey is talking to Luke on Ahch-to, Luke reveals his regret that he couldn't fulfill the void in her heart for a father figure, and Luke suggests that Palpatine will play on this need so that Rey will turn to him as a father figure instead. At this point, Rey tells Luke firmly, "No, you are my father", and it is from this point in the film that Rey adopts the name Skywalker. And the two embrace, with Luke whispering, "My baby girl". I'm told this is a very emotional scene. And as Rey also felt a maternal connection with Leia, she also tells Luke that she is adopting the name Organa as well.

Around this section of the film, General Hux attempts to take command of the Final Order in Kylo Ren's absence, visiting Endor to ensure Ren is dead. However, Pryde had sabotaged his TIE Fighter, and thus Hux crashes on the planet. Crawling from the wreck, the fire and smoke attracts the attention of a giant turtle monster, who chases a screaming Hux into the woods with its gaping mouth, and we hear his screams turn into defeated squeaks and gurgling as we can only assume that he's being eaten.

Regarding the nature of Palpatine's return: his face is largely obscured under his hood through most of the movie up until the climactic confrontation, other than the whites of his eyes. When Rey finally confronts him and meets him face-to-face, it is revealed that it is the face and figure of Padme Amidala in the cloak, skeletal and rotted. I'm told that Natalie Portman gave the live performance, but that Ian McDiarmid provides the vocal performance. I'm also told that we hear a dark, "horror movie" variation of Across the Stars, and that Padme's exhumed coffin from Naboo is also seen in Palpatine's laboratory prior, hinting to this revelation. I'm further told that the cast and crew nicknamed this persona "Padmatine".

I'm told that in a shocking moment, R2-D2 reveals he has had the capacity to speak English all these years, with JJ Abrams lending his own voice as Artoo. I'm told that when Padmatine is revealed to a horror-stricken Rey, Artoo further shocks her by remarking clearly, "Yeah, spooky, right?" At this point he also curls the blue strips on the front of his body into the shape of a smile.

I'm also told that the laboratory features a web of "connections" in photos as easter eggs, showing that the ultimate Sith plot has been unraveling since the prequels. I'm told there are photos of Ian McDiarmid in his "senator" persona from TPM, a Muun who is presumably Plagueis, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Hayden Christensen's Anakin. There are also photos of Padme Amidala, R2-D2, C-3PO, as well as Representative Jar Jar Binks (which may be intended to lend fire to "Jar Jar is a Sith" debates) and finally an unknown character played by Matt Smith. I'm given the impression that Matt Smith was once a key figure in a subplot which has since been deleted, and will presumably be covered in novels instead.

Padmatine explains to Rey that he had always promised Anakin the secret to cheat death and save Padme, and he fulfilled his promise. However, as Anakin is no longer around to appreciate this, Padmatine is instead offering Rey the secret to cheat death in order to save Ben from the deadly fate that awaits him which Leia foresaw. Furthermore, as it is revealed that Palpatine is Rey's grandfather, and that Palpatine is possessing Padme's body, Padmatine declares that Rey's legal name is in fact Rey Palpatine-Amidala.

It's revealed that Padmatine's true motives are to "reunite the Skywalker family again", with the picture nearly complete with the arrival of Artoo and a restored Threepio. Padmatine was hoping to resurrect Anakin either through Threepio's Vader modification or through the echo in Vader's helmet. This is what the Vader echo was ultimately manipulating Ben into, in "finishing what he started", which is saving Anakin and Padme's little family unit. I'm under the impression that Padme's spirit is not really in her body, only Palpatine's spirit, but that traces of Padme's memory and personality also emerge from her brain, so it is sort of Padme but not really. Also, Artoo has been aware of this plot all along since the prequel era and has been helping to finally bring it into fruition in the sequel era.

Because Luke and Leia are now dead, Padmatine is instead trying to fill their void in the family unit with two new twins, cloned from Luke and Leia's DNA, who are growing within a robotic tube - like an "artificial womb", inside Padmatine's corpse. When Padmatine opens her cloak to reveal her pregnant belly, we can see the mechanical tube through her rotting flesh and ribcage. I'm told that the clone fetuses of Luke and Leia have a mild resemblance to Snoke, though I'm not clear what this implication is for Snoke's character.

The last step in Padmatine's plan is to bring Anakin back, which is achieved through unifying the power of the bond between Rey and Ben. This creates a huge surge in the Force which Palpatine uses to materialize Anakin's spirit. However, because Sebastian Shaw is not alive to film crucial new scenes, it's revealed that Anakin's spirit is able to manifest as a massive sloth creature which resembles Shaw through CGI.

Anakin meets Ben in the pit, and the latter finally understands his purpose, and in a moment of pure pottery, he vows, "I will finish what you started", but the line has a more positive context in this scene. Ben gains a newfound power in the Force to morph into a sloth also as his grandfather did, and climbs back up and out.

While Rey is being visited by Force ghosts, we hear many familiar voices from across various Star Wars media. I'm told that an archival snippet of Dexter Jettster saying "Well whaddaya know" is also heard among the stream of ghostly voices. Apparently, this was a prank on JJ by his canon consultants, who led him to believe that Dex was a Jedi. I'm told that JJ is still not aware.

I'm also told that in an alternate version from Colin Trevorrow's script, it was going to be Captain Panaka rather than Padme whose figure Palpatine would have possessed. Panapatine would have said, "We're sitting ducks!" which would have been revealed as a Force power which would morph Rey into a quacking duck. This would have been a lead-in to the idea of Anakin and Ben manifesting as sloths. However, Panaka was deemed too unfamiliar to the audience when Abrams took over.

Ben emerges from the pit in sloth form and revives an unconscious Rey with "a gentle but intimate kiss", drawing the power of love and the Light Side to revive her. But worried that it's not enough to sustain her, that she might lose the will to live as his grandmother did, Ben asks her to marry him right there on the spot, and she agrees tearfully. With Threepio and Artoo as witnesses, mirroring the ending of AOTC, they take on Klaud, who had just arrived to check in on them for the Resistance, as their minister. After Klaud asks them each if they take the other as their lawful-wedded spouse, Rey states "I do", but then Ben hesitates, and she says she knows Ben doesn't really want to do this. But Ben reassures her, "No, ... I do" and he kisses her passionately.

Threepio and Artoo suggest that the two settle down at Lars Homestead where Ben's family originated. However, since the farm still is legally owned under the Lars family, the two must adopt the Lars name also. However, Ben for some reason wanders off, never to be seen again, leaving Rey alone.

In the final scene, Rey is single and alone with a baby. A stranger there (who fans will recognize as the long-snooted Garindan) comments that no one has lived at this home and asks her name. Rey, teary-eyed, states, "Rey. Rey Skywalker-Organa-Palpatine-Amidala-Solo-Kenobi-Lars." The single mother then observes the Twin Suns, cradling her baby, who is revealed to be Baby Yoda, and the scene cuts to the credits.

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This one alone tells me its likely fake. whether anyone likes the change of Hayden as the force ghost. i believe its official canon either way.
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2Cleva said: ↑

You must not have been on the memo. Either that or you might mistakenly believe Transformers began with the Michael Bay version.
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From my perspective the last good Transformers movie was Transformers The Movie (1986). I do admit that Transformers Prime was pretty excellent, though.

Darth Corydon said: ↑

I think their saying that ben's face looks like nilhus's mask so many random time / Sith schnagagins are a foot in sheev's lair ??
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Is that what this post is driving at? That's interesting b/c I have had the though in my head since TFA that Kylo's helmet or Vader's helmet could be a tainted artifact like Nihilus' mask and armor. Nihilus was also quite prone to draining the life force of others to feed his "hunger"....

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I kinda wish the 3P0 stuff was legit.

At least the part where he gets his full memory back.

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alwayslurking said: ↑

New clip
https://www.instagram.com/tv/B5--erMhMsk/
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Seems like an ancient source of dark side evil that's been manipulating events all along, taking the form of all dead evil, like the First Evil from Buffy the Vampire Slayer would change forms and taunt.

dark side voices of the past said:

At last...My boy.

I have been every voice...

...you have ever heard...

...inside your head...

(laughs)
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The so-called 'Darth Ruin' from the Mizzlewump leaks of March 2014?

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Daxon101 said: ↑

This one alone tells me its likely fake. whether anyone likes the change of Hayden as the force ghost. i believe its official canon either way.
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Agreed. It made sense that the force ghost was Hayden/PT era Anakin. This sounds super fake. Hasn’t been corroborated by anyone with credentials so I guess we’ll see.

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Daxon101 said: ↑

Lulu Mars said: ↑

Wait a minute. If "you have ever heard" is meant to be Snoke... are they implying that Snoke has only existed inside everybody's heads?
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Well according to the leaks, there are snoke clones there in chambers too. so its probably more just a figure of speech. basically Palpatine was the one behind it all. every word snoke said that got into Bens head was influenced by Palpatine

Plus Rey see him and Han and Leia knew of him.
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And this revelation is surely going to make Ben evaluate everything in his life, his choices and what he heard. If you have a realisation your life has been orchestrated with demonic thoughts passed off as positive thoughts, you’re more likely to walk away. But even then it’s a hard thing to do, after a lifetime of being that way. Which would make the last act confrontation with Palpatine realistic.

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Padmatine eh?....................yikes

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If Snoke is a clone, puppet of Palpatine, etc....then

It completely contradicts a key element in his bio from TFA Visual Dictionary. (Found the image/page)

One reason...

Aside from Kylo Ren, he's only had ONE apprentice.

We all know Palpatine has had Vader, Maul and Count Dooku!!

So this whole Snoke is just a puppet of Palpatine is complete BS to me. Another patch/band-aid they threw on a bleeding plot hole regarding Snoke background.

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Sidious? Son? Maybe Plagueis?
No, the ultimate puppet master is Padmetine hahahah

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Then fact we didn’t get a thorough Snoke backstory was to their advantage. He could be made into anything they wanted.

themoth, Dec 12, 2019

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UUUUUUUUUUuuuuummm.... undead Padme Sidious?

Yeah those are fake (of course).

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Shadojoker said: ↑

Completely contradicts his bio from TFA companion guide.
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Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid, Dec 12, 2019

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themoth said: ↑

And this revelation is surely going to make Ben evaluate everything in his life, his choices and what he heard. If you have a realisation your life has been orchestrated with demonic thoughts passed off as positive thoughts, you’re more likely to walk away. But even then it’s a hard thing to do, after a lifetime of being that way. Which would make the last act confrontation with Palpatine realistic.
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Well that scene is said to be in the opening. presumbaly you won't stop being on the dark side just because you learn something new. its probably still about pulling himself away.

This is just mostly explaining that Like Anakin, Sidious was the one behind Bens turn.

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themoth Force Ghost

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Daxon101 said: ↑

themoth said: ↑

And this revelation is surely going to make Ben evaluate everything in his life, his choices and what he heard. If you have a realisation your life has been orchestrated with demonic thoughts passed off as positive thoughts, you’re more likely to walk away. But even then it’s a hard thing to do, after a lifetime of being that way. Which would make the last act confrontation with Palpatine realistic.
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Well that scene is said to be in the opening. presumbaly you won't stop being on the dark side just because you learn something new. its probably still about pulling himself away.
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Yep. It’s not like a lightbulb going on and off. Which is why I posted what I did above.

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I think those new leaks are fake. A funny read though lol.

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yeah that last stuff I read seems kinda out there if you will

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Christopher Blair Jedi Master

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somebody please tell me that is really palp talking bc by god this is the first time in yrs that i got goosebumps. im HYPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPED

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What do you guys think about these new rumors from reddit?

Today's leaks have corroborated info I received a while back

First, I must say that I am not at liberty to reveal the identity of my source, but this is the part where trust comes in. Either way, we will know soon enough if this is accurate or not. Also note that this information may be subject to change with edits the film received since this information was given to me a few months ago. I was largely skeptical of what I was told for the most part, but now it is seeming increasingly likely. So here is what I can tell you:

I will start with the least significant detail I was told: apparently, the Porg that accompanied Chewbacca during the climax of TLJ will still remain on the Falcon for the duration of the film, but will have a mostly minor role until the climax. When Lando and Chewie take the Falcon to rescue Finn and Jannah from General Pryde's flagship, they find their only route to rescue the two is through an exhaust port too small to squeeze into. So they send the Porg inside, who manages to reach a control lever and open a hangar door, allowing Finn and Jannah to escape. Later on during the celebration, Maz is starting to give a medal to Chewbacca, saying he deserves it, but in an unexpected comedic moment, she places the medal on the Porg instead. According to my contact, "The Porg screeches happily, and the last time we see Chewbacca in the film is him growling in discontent."

Now getting to more important story beats. My contact tells me James Earl Jones' voice will be heard communicating to Kylo Ren once or twice in the first half of the film before Rey destroys Vader's helmet. I am told that Vader's voice does not have a "mechanized filter" but just sounds purely like Jones' voice (think Mufasa). A dark side "echo" of Vader created by Palpatine due to the combination of Palpatine's electricity contacting Vader's suit and the subsequent blast of the reactor flaring over Vader. The "echo" has been trying to guide Kylo Ren to finish what Vader started, which is one of the central mysteries of the film.

Regarding C-3PO's memory: in order to gain permission to translate the Sith writing, Threepio must be given special modification by his own maker. The leaks thus far have inaccurately stated that C-3PO's memory is wiped prior to boarding Kylo's ship, when it is actually the other way around. This is Rey's initial motivation for going after Vader's helmet so that an audio chip from Vader's mask can speak a command into Threepio to modify him. Rey must crack open the helmet with her lightsaber in order to find the chip. The consequence of this upgrade is that this causes Threepio to develop Vader's personality, and from this point on through Act II, Threepio is voiced by James Earl Jones and believes himself to be Darth Vader. I'm told this is not played off humorously, but rather seriously. When Artoo eventually restores Threepio's memory, he not only restores his OT memory but his PT memory also, causing Threepio to remember that Padme Amidala and Anakin Skywalker are his true masters whom he must serve.

When Ben experiences his hallucination of Han, Anakin and Obi-Wan are also present. However, they performed through archival footage of Sebastian Shaw and Alec Guinness. My contact states that there was no indication of Hayden Christensen or Ewan McGregor being in the film, possibly because "the general audience wouldn't have recognized them", (though this speculation seems inconsistent with the presence of a prequel actor later in the film, so I don't buy it personally). And when Ben sheds the moniker of "Kylo Ren" and becomes Ben Solo once more, he also decides to honor the man whom he was named after, by taking on the name "Ben Solo-Kenobi".

While Rey is talking to Luke on Ahch-to, Luke reveals his regret that he couldn't fulfill the void in her heart for a father figure, and Luke suggests that Palpatine will play on this need so that Rey will turn to him as a father figure instead. At this point, Rey tells Luke firmly, "No, you are my father", and it is from this point in the film that Rey adopts the name Skywalker. And the two embrace, with Luke whispering, "My baby girl". I'm told this is a very emotional scene. And as Rey also felt a maternal connection with Leia, she also tells Luke that she is adopting the name Organa as well.

Around this section of the film, General Hux attempts to take command of the Final Order in Kylo Ren's absence, visiting Endor to ensure Ren is dead. However, Pryde had sabotaged his TIE Fighter, and thus Hux crashes on the planet. Crawling from the wreck, the fire and smoke attracts the attention of a giant turtle monster, who chases a screaming Hux into the woods with its gaping mouth, and we hear his screams turn into defeated squeaks and gurgling as we can only assume that he's being eaten.

Regarding the nature of Palpatine's return: his face is largely obscured under his hood through most of the movie up until the climactic confrontation, other than the whites of his eyes. When Rey finally confronts him and meets him face-to-face, it is revealed that it is the face and figure of Padme Amidala in the cloak, skeletal and rotted. I'm told that Natalie Portman gave the live performance, but that Ian McDiarmid provides the vocal performance. I'm also told that we hear a dark, "horror movie" variation of Across the Stars, and that Padme's exhumed coffin from Naboo is also seen in Palpatine's laboratory prior, hinting to this revelation. I'm further told that the cast and crew nicknamed this persona "Padmatine".

I'm told that in a shocking moment, R2-D2 reveals he has had the capacity to speak English all these years, with JJ Abrams lending his own voice as Artoo. I'm told that when Padmatine is revealed to a horror-stricken Rey, Artoo further shocks her by remarking clearly, "Yeah, spooky, right?" At this point he also curls the blue strips on the front of his body into the shape of a smile.

I'm also told that the laboratory features a web of "connections" in photos as easter eggs, showing that the ultimate Sith plot has been unraveling since the prequels. I'm told there are photos of Ian McDiarmid in his "senator" persona from TPM, a Muun who is presumably Plagueis, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Hayden Christensen's Anakin. There are also photos of Padme Amidala, R2-D2, C-3PO, as well as Representative Jar Jar Binks (which may be intended to lend fire to "Jar Jar is a Sith" debates) and finally an unknown character played by Matt Smith. I'm given the impression that Matt Smith was once a key figure in a subplot which has since been deleted, and will presumably be covered in novels instead.

Padmatine explains to Rey that he had always promised Anakin the secret to cheat death and save Padme, and he fulfilled his promise. However, as Anakin is no longer around to appreciate this, Padmatine is instead offering Rey the secret to cheat death in order to save Ben from the deadly fate that awaits him which Leia foresaw. Furthermore, as it is revealed that Palpatine is Rey's grandfather, and that Palpatine is possessing Padme's body, Padmatine declares that Rey's legal name is in fact Rey Palpatine-Amidala.

It's revealed that Padmatine's true motives are to "reunite the Skywalker family again", with the picture nearly complete with the arrival of Artoo and a restored Threepio. Padmatine was hoping to resurrect Anakin either through Threepio's Vader modification or through the echo in Vader's helmet. This is what the Vader echo was ultimately manipulating Ben into, in "finishing what he started", which is saving Anakin and Padme's little family unit. I'm under the impression that Padme's spirit is not really in her body, only Palpatine's spirit, but that traces of Padme's memory and personality also emerge from her brain, so it is sort of Padme but not really. Also, Artoo has been aware of this plot all along since the prequel era and has been helping to finally bring it into fruition in the sequel era.

Because Luke and Leia are now dead, Padmatine is instead trying to fill their void in the family unit with two new twins, cloned from Luke and Leia's DNA, who are growing within a robotic tube - like an "artificial womb", inside Padmatine's corpse. When Padmatine opens her cloak to reveal her pregnant belly, we can see the mechanical tube through her rotting flesh and ribcage. I'm told that the clone fetuses of Luke and Leia have a mild resemblance to Snoke, though I'm not clear what this implication is for Snoke's character.

The last step in Padmatine's plan is to bring Anakin back, which is achieved through unifying the power of the bond between Rey and Ben. This creates a huge surge in the Force which Palpatine uses to materialize Anakin's spirit. However, because Sebastian Shaw is not alive to film crucial new scenes, it's revealed that Anakin's spirit is able to manifest as a massive sloth creature which resembles Shaw through CGI.

Anakin meets Ben in the pit, and the latter finally understands his purpose, and in a moment of pure pottery, he vows, "I will finish what you started", but the line has a more positive context in this scene. Ben gains a newfound power in the Force to morph into a sloth also as his grandfather did, and climbs back up and out.

While Rey is being visited by Force ghosts, we hear many familiar voices from across various Star Wars media. I'm told that an archival snippet of Dexter Jettster saying "Well whaddaya know" is also heard among the stream of ghostly voices. Apparently, this was a prank on JJ by his canon consultants, who led him to believe that Dex was a Jedi. I'm told that JJ is still not aware.

I'm also told that in an alternate version from Colin Trevorrow's script, it was going to be Captain Panaka rather than Padme whose figure Palpatine would have possessed. Panapatine would have said, "We're sitting ducks!" which would have been revealed as a Force power which would morph Rey into a quacking duck. This would have been a lead-in to the idea of Anakin and Ben manifesting as sloths. However, Panaka was deemed too unfamiliar to the audience when Abrams took over.

Ben emerges from the pit in sloth form and revives an unconscious Rey with "a gentle but intimate kiss", drawing the power of love and the Light Side to revive her. But worried that it's not enough to sustain her, that she might lose the will to live as his grandmother did, Ben asks her to marry him right there on the spot, and she agrees tearfully. With Threepio and Artoo as witnesses, mirroring the ending of AOTC, they take on Klaud, who had just arrived to check in on them for the Resistance, as their minister. After Klaud asks them each if they take the other as their lawful-wedded spouse, Rey states "I do", but then Ben hesitates, and she says she knows Ben doesn't really want to do this. But Ben reassures her, "No, ... I do" and he kisses her passionately.

Threepio and Artoo suggest that the two settle down at Lars Homestead where Ben's family originated. However, since the farm still is legally owned under the Lars family, the two must adopt the Lars name also. However, Ben for some reason wanders off, never to be seen again, leaving Rey alone.

In the final scene, Rey is single and alone with a baby. A stranger there (who fans will recognize as the long-snooted Garindan) comments that no one has lived at this home and asks her name. Rey, teary-eyed, states, "Rey. Rey Skywalker-Organa-Palpatine-Amidala-Solo-Kenobi-Lars." The single mother then observes the Twin Suns, cradling her baby, who is revealed to be Baby Yoda, and the scene cuts to the credits.

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This one alone tells me its likely fake. whether anyone likes the change of Hayden as the force ghost. i believe its official canon either way.
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This is all totally fake. Built off of the JP leaks. We will see more of these the next week. They will contain more fan wants and ideas that mix in the JP leaks.
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I assume this has already been discussed (but this thread moves so fast it's impossible to keep up) but did anyone catch what looks like sith statues as Kylo is descending on the rock elevator...? I assume so.
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Here's some screen shots I took:

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Oh, you guys think that last leak might be a fake? Nothing gets past you eagle eyed fans.
Ha, I loved reading it though.

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