ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

JJ Abrams created a bigger tangle of conflicts worse than pre-WW1.

And no you're not going to change the mind of Consoomers.

 

No one ever understands sarcasm on the internet

 

Rian created it. JJ just made it worse.

 

Do you think it was possible for JJ to do better with what he was given?

 

On some respects yes. The plot could have been better, he could have NOT done what he did with Rey and Kylo, he could have not introduced multiple new characters that weren't needed, or done ANOTHER "planet killing super-weapon" plot. Used Finn better, not turned Poe into just "Latin Han Solo," given Sheev a better plan, explained some things better, etc.

Rian left a mess so a lot of this is on him, but JJ isn't blameless either.

 

Definitely. I think its intentional. Unlike what someone from RLM would want you to believe, I don't think George made Anakin whiny because he didn't understand being "likable." It was clearly intended. Even when Hayden asked if this is the character George wanted, George adamantly said this what the character needed to be at this point in time. If Anakin started Episode II as ROTJ Luke, it would be disingenuous as the man who fails to overcome his demons can never reach that level of maturity. Makes sense a teen Vader would be a bit selfish. Plus, George loves his parallels and you can definitely pick up parallels between ANH Luke and AOTC Anakin.

Speaking of which, I love when he nosedives the speeder and is laughing while Obi-Wan is having a panic attack

 

Point taken

 

I thought Lucas and Christensen made a nice course-correction in ROTS, emphasizing Anakin's nobility in the first act and fragility in the second (and believe me, I didn't care for the character as he was rendered in a number of AOTC scenes). His descent, though deemed "rushed" by some, was still tremendously affecting.

From what I've read here and in other venues, Abrams failed to do the same with Kylo. (And in this instance, said failure falls squarely on the director/writer's shoulders, as Adam Driver is among the finest actors of his generation.)

 

TPM being a maligned launch is only because it subverted some peoples' expectations. TPM and ROTS were both #1 in the BO, AOTC was #2 its year, behind Spiderman. TPM was kinda necessary to have that relationship between Anakin and Shmi -- his boyish love for a mother helps make his going postal on the Tuskens more understandable.

Denying tacos... that's a serious commitment.

I'm not buying their comics, etc., because I was not left with any reason to have an attachment to the ST.

 

Maybe, but it will almost certainly break 1 billion, which will be easy to spin into a success story. And let's be real, by most conventional metrics, it is a success story.

 

Absolutely. He could've written a story that made sense within the trilogy and the saga, even after RJ's setup. He could have killed Reylo and possibly even shown the privileged, entitled Nazi being punished in even the most perfunctory way for terrorizing the gffa. He chose "None of the above."

 

I knew going in there was no way Kylo would not be redeemed. I knew that since TFA

 

Yea some are saying JJ ignored or trashed was Rian did. Some of that is true. Still JJ again had Kylo asking Rey to take his hand and rule the galaxy with him. So he must have liked that.

 

They were nobody remember?

 

So many scenes looks so weird somehow, especially Rey and Kylo's. Their scene with Chewie ""death"" was so bad.
Rey: Chewiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie
Rey:
Kylo:
Rey:
Kylo:
*cut scene*

 

Kylo: Watch Rey walk to ship and just turn around and...leave peacefully?

 

Yes, quoting this because 1 like is not enough.

 

The problem is he made Kylo and Ben almost two separate people. It was like a Jekyll and Hyde scenario or as if there was some demonic possession that suddenly left. Its like, “oh you’re Ben now. Yay Kylo is gone.”

I think that exposition scene where Kylo gives a soliloquy about being conflicted is meant to be the driving force behind that idea. He might as well have said, “I’m going to be good again. Just wait for the third movie.”

 

That's what I mean I don't know why anyone thought he would die evil

 

Did anyone find Hux's death to be unintentionally comical?

Like beyond the corny "Im the spy!" moment, the way he just flies back after getting shot seemed so sudden, that for a second I thought the audience needed to laugh.

 

The thing is Bendemption didn't have to dive all in to the reylo dumpster. It also should not have involved Rey without giving her a reason to gas. And no, being hot for abuse is not a "reason" I will accept in SW.

 

I thought it was intentionally comical.

 

As of the end of TLJ with him having become Supreme Leader, it looked a logical outcome.