Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Oh yeah, I think I read this fanfic a long while back where this disillusioned Imperial officer kidnaps the Emperor and holds him in a room full of ysalamiri, and wants to kill him as revenge for the death of his family. Palpatine can't use the Force, but he manipulates the Imperial officer, saying that his family is actually still alive and that killing him now would result in their deaths. The officer doesn't want to believe it, but it's enough to delay him long enough for Darth Vader to arrive with reinforcements and rescue Palpatine. So Palpatine isn't at all helpless even without the Force...well, according to the fanfic author anyway.

 

This is what I was thinking...

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they are not open to vacuum...but do not have a life support system installed so you have your suit air and whatever is in the ball when it closes.

 

The Delta-7 had shields, too. I think the Eta-2 was another part of Palps' plan to kill off Jedi....

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I’m still really peeved by the level of inconsistency in starship descriptions. The MC-80, the Rebel mainstay, has 48 turbolasers. The MC-85 of the New Republic and the Resistance, which is supposedly a major upgrade, has just18 turbolasers. Meanwhile, the First Order is fielding ships with over a thousand turbolasers on ships the same size as the MC-85.

I really wish they would just retcon some of these numbers already. They don’t make any sense.

 

The Raddus has eighteen turbolasers, doesn't mean the MC85 as a whole does. The stats from The Incredible Cross-Sections also show that they have a skeleton crew with automation. Not like the Resistance could get an up-to-date warship. They acquired the Dawn of Tranquility / Raddus from mothball and had to modify it. Not surprised that the cannon numbers were reduced.

 

I figure that most of the turbolasers on the Resurgent are itty-bitty - more like point defence weapons than orbital bombardment weapons.

 

Most MC85's in commission in the early NR years would definitely have their guns reduced as a result of the demilitarization. This is already canon, per a few sources. On the other hand, number of guns is less important that the power of said guns. If these turbolasers and ion cannons are heavy guns, that is a heavy armament. Ditto the fact it has proton torpedo launchers.

Also- I suspect the ship is more of a command ship/carrier.

--Adm. Nick

 

Sorry to double post, but I wanted to further elaborate.

The MC85 cruiser, like the Starhawk, seems to be more of a limited production vessel. I don't expect to see hundreds of either design. In canon, we have at minimum three Starhawks built, with only one surviving Jakku. As for the MC85, we know at least 5+ were built, counting the Dawn of Tranquility/Raddus and the four we see on screen in TROS during the fleet arrival scene.

NOTE: If you are looking for them, there is a pair to the far right of the screen during the arrival and a pair to the left of center.

I suspect that the MC85 was developed first. Politically, the new Senate (barely up an running on Chandrila) would probably approve this ship rather quickly as it was a joint Mon Cala/CEC ship. Both are members and both would benefit from the income generated by the sales. Senators would be swayed by the argument that they are simultaneously building up the navy and also providing income to worlds that need ecological and infrastructure repairs. Also, I see there being less resistance as these ships appear similar to Rebel MC cruisers, so they have that going for them too. I can see these being ordered almost immediately post-Endor, when the NRDF literally ballooned overnight into a larger navy.

As for the Starhawk, considering they don't come into service until later in the war and were the result of a compromise, its possible that their numbers would be smaller. Given how quickly the Empire falls, you have to wonder if even 4-6 months post-Endor that the Senate saw the sheer number of ships ordered/under construction at Mon Cala, Corellia, and other worlds and decided that they had more than enough hulls. Especially once Kuat falls to the NR.

Granted, all of this seems kinda insanely fast as everything happens in around 12 months, but it is what it is.

--Adm. Nick

 

Only 5? Why even build them at all in that case? This is a galaxy where there were 25,000 Imperial-class Star Destroyers...

 

Not only five, at least five. We have no idea how many were produced and haven't gotten any numbers. All we know is that we see at least 5 on screen in the ST, which likely indicates they produced a good amount.

That "25,000 Star Destroyers" statistic gets thrown around a lot without proper context. I don't have access to the direct source, but I don't believe "Imperial-class" was specified. There are many different classes of Star Destroyers which likely contributed to that number a good deal. But also, it's a completely different situation. The New Republic will never need anywhere near that number of ships. The vast majority of the Imperial Navy was dedicated to policing local systems and keeping the rule of the Empire in place. The New Republic has no need for this, given worlds join voluntarily and power is decentralized. The only need the New Republic had for new ships was during the relatively brief fight against the Empire post-Endor.

 

For what it's worth, the first mention of that 25,000 statistic that I'm aware of was from Spector of the Past. The exact wording was "Two hundred Star Destroyers remaining from a Fleet that had once included over twenty-five thousand of them." It's not clear if that's referring only to the Imperial-class or all ships with the "Star Destroyer" name. If I'm remembering correctly, that Uprising game had the same number, but I do not recall if that was referring to generic Star Destroyers or the Imperial-class specifically.

 

Oh, well I guess if it were up to me, I'd retcon the number of Star Destroyers way down. But 25,000 seems to be the number everyone uses, so I went with it. Anyway my point was...there were a lot of Star Destroyers (even with a minimalist take on things) and 5 MC85 and 3 Starhawks would be infinitesimal by comparison.

 

Check out the cross-section below. The cutaway of the Heavy Turbolaser blister contains 2 triple heavy turbolaser emplacements. Considering the MC85 is more than twice the length of an ISD, each of those emplacements seems to be similar in size to an ISD-I's main HTLs. One more HTL blister is noted further up on the dorsal surface, similarly sized and so presumably containing a similar armament of 2 triple HTLs.



The TLJ:VD also points out another blister named a "midship turbolaser battery blister", on the same starboard flank as the other two blisters, again similarly sized.


If we are counting barrels, assuming all blisters are the same, that gives us 18 individual HTLs. That, however, would leave all the weapons on the dorsal starboard side, which is unlikely, even if the armaments were reduced. So does 18 refer to HTL blisters or batteries? While there may be 18 appropriate sized blisters, between HTLs and heavy ions, I don't think there are quite 36, even counting the ventral blisters. I think it is reasonable to count a total of 18 triple HTL batteries, and 18 heavy ion cannons. Nonetheless, that is no small number: 54 individual heavy turbolaser barrels. Size-wise, each barrel seems to sit between the ISD-I's doubles and ISD-II's octuples. Even if each only slung half the power of the ISD-I's doubles, the MC85 would still seem to have more than double the HTL firepower of an ISD-I, and then hold superiority in ion cannons. Furthermore, the MC85 has unmentioned point defense weapons. At least five fire in TLJ.

In short, I don't think the Raddus is under-armed, but, rather, "big-gunned."

 

So Rewatching TROS I noticed our favorite Admiral's son. Aftab, is not among the people celebrating on Ajan Kloss. I'm hoping he survived the Battle of Exegol cause it would suck to have Admiral Ackbar's son introduced only for them to kill him off in his first film. I'm hoping that if Poe and the Resistance restore the New Republic, He'll make Aftab a leader in the NRDF.

 

Aftab is seen in the celebration. On two occasions. Quick shots, both show the back of his head and uniform. As he was the only Mon Calamari we see, its more than safe to assume that Aftab survived. The actor who portrayed him confirmed this on Twitter as well.

--Adm. Nick

 

As in Star Trek, I'm guessing that there are separate "navigational" systems that sweep small debris aside and into the ship's wake. This might simply be an effect of the way repulsor/inertial compensator/artificial gravity system work.

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My favourite thing in IX... blatant fanservice though that was... was Wicket watching his lunch being delivered...

Why are we talking about this in the Fleet Junk thread, though?

Agreed. These are battleship turrets rather than flak. Why the Raddus has no flak is another question - perhaps the NR decided that simply keeping their distance and using fighters for cover was more effective?

- The Imperial Ewok

 

New Ewok anti-ship weaponry.

 

Hah! I assumed they just snuck up boarding parties on the Imperial shuttles.

So, what should we imagine? A really big rock-throwing catapult? Mount Sorrow? Or is Wicket just doing his best Galen Marek?

P.S. I love your username pic of that Imperial commander from the comics.

- The Imperial Ewok

 

How you insult the great general Martok! Outside McEwok we shall settle this with lightsabers!

 

At the time, no. Later sources, however (such as the Fact File) have taken the approach that this is the number of Imperial class. Or even the number of Imperial-I class, with "thousands" of Imperial-II class ships having been built in addition to this.

 

The jedi weren't forced to fly the Eta-2, those that did chose to. Also Vader continued to use Eta-2s. Why would he do that if they were inferior to Delta 7s.

 

Maybe he can't fit in it?

 

lol I remember there being something about how cramped Vader was in the Eta-2, but then the Delta 7s were larger fighters weren't they? Likely to have more space in the cockpit not less.

 

It looked more cramped to me...

 

Episode 9

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Someone on twitter spotted what looks like N1 Starfighters in the final battle. I’m not going to link the tweet, as I’m not sure if the image is from a recording or not.