ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

Especially now that they have to take TROS and Palpatine's ridiculous plan into account. They literally pulled tons of new Sith "lore" out of their asses at the last minute, and now we have Exogol the Sith Vacation Home and some kind of Sith Posession to replace the Rule of Two.

 

Which, if they go back to the origins of the Jedi and the Sith, they will have to explore and add context to all that Sith gunk that JJ and Terrio fed us in TROS.

 

And if you have no one in charge, no one planning out the story, no to make any actual decisions and directors firing off all over the place ******* on the preceding movie you get... the ST...

 

You know I personally see art as being two components. One is the idea that the art is expressive where the artist is just expressing their thoughts, ideas and emotions into some medium in a vacuum. Here the artist created their art for themselves only without thought to any outside reactions. Art can also be communicative where an artist attempts translate their thoughts, ideas and emotions to others and hopefully achieve a similar reaction amongst that audience.

In the case of Lucas I think he understands that art has to be individual and personalized to ones own thoughts and emotions. There can be a collaborative approach to that but there still should be a solid singular idea. At the same time you have to counter this with the fact that he is creating a mythological for which purpose is to communicate the ideas of growing into adulthood and becoming the hero of your own life. Because it is a coming of age story he does have to choose his audience to some degree and be able to communicate the myth to them. Often the more specific a message is the more narrow the audience is. The less specific that message is the broader it covers. You try to cover a broad audience because you’re trying to teach a message but yet you don’t want that message diluted. So it becomes a balance of taking a personal idea and to expressing it in a way that it communicates effectively and broadly without losing the integrity of the message itself. That is much easier said than done for most people.

 

Or put more simply, if you don’t have George Lucas, you get the ST.

In all seriousness though, there is a massive opportunity right now for Iger to re-recruit Lucas in to be a creative consultant or story author on a series of new Star Wars films. I doubt GL would go for it, but the opportunity is there for Iger.

 

Lol. I just saw a few articles yesterday saying lucas was being secretly courted to come back on as a creative producer for all of SW or whatever.

I seriously doubt either party would ever do it.

 

Agreed, as I noted, but you have to admit, the opportunity is there.

 

I think it was We (Don't) Got This Covered stirring up nonsense again.

Too late now for George Lucas to do anything now anyway.

 

I was on another site, some comment section somewhere, talking about Revan being made canon and it occurred to me that any time an attempt has been made to weave Revan into the canon it's been as a Sith Lord. In the deleted Mortis arc scene from Clone Wars, it's Darth Revan who appears and in TROS, one of Palpatine's legions is named after Darth Revan.

Now I know that KOTOR allowed you to go with the Dark Side ending but the "true" ending of KOTOR, the EU canon ending was the light side ending where Revan turns back to the light to defeat the Sith and it occurred to me that there's no way Palpatine would name a legion after a man he would consider a traitor to the Sith.

Then a thought came into my head that when they do the Jedi vs Sith origin story, they'll probably make Revan the first Sith Lord. They'll call it KOTOR and it will be Revan and Malak going to war against the Jedi's wishes, turning to the Dark Side and creating the Sith rather than inheriting the mantle. That in itself isn't a terrible idea, it could be pretty good if done well but the issue with the sequels and with Solo and anything else going forward is there's an inherent lack of understanding of the source material from the people actually making the movies.

Abrams had a superficial knowledge, essentially just based on going to the movies as a kid to see the films and that's what he tried to recreate. Kasdan was a writer for hire. His knowledge was based on what Lucas told him. Johnson I imagine was similar to Abrams except that instead of wanting to recreate the Star Wars of his youth he wanted to subvert it.

For all the talk about the story group and having people at Lucasfilm who actually understand Star Wars, it doesn't matter if the people actually making the film don't have that knowledge or don't care about that knowledge.

The thing that people don't realise about Feige is that he's a massive Marvel fanboy. He knows more about the most obscure things in the Marvel universe than many hardcore comic collectors. He understands the source material He's not beholden to it, he doesn't approach the movies like they have to 100% adhere to what's in the comics but he has a good sense of the spirit of the comics, a good sense of what translates and what doesn't. His record isn't flawless by any means but his success is based on his love and knowledge of the source material, coupled with his experience learning the movie making business on X-Men.

There's an argument to be made that Filoni could be that guy for Star Wars. Obviously he was Lucas' protege and he's produced successful Star Wars content in the past. I don't buy the argument about inexperience because Kennedy is a good Hollywood producer...she doesn't really get Star Wars but she gets filmmaking. Let Filoni learn the trade working with her and they could be on to something. My only real doubt about Filoni is that he can get a bit too self-indulgent but it's not a deal breaker.

Anyway, my long-winded point is, Lucasfilm needs someone who actually understands Star Wars running Star Wars. Warner Brothers spent years taking a director-based approach with their DC properties and sure, it mostly worked for Chris Nolan's Batman series but it doesn't work when you're trying to make a coherent, connected universe, which is why Snyder's movies are basically being ignored now and every DC property is going off in its own direction.

 

You cannot blame Terrio for KK's NOPE which Iger sanctioned long ago when he NOPE on Lucas . JJ was fortunate with TFA, largely cause it played with nostalgia like his first Star Trek and it used some of the original actors and a writer and it was TPM all over again as years passed before there was a new SW movie and there was hype going in. JJ and KK royally messed up Star Wars, Rian was the middle man with the middle finger.

 

You don't think Disney will decanonize their trilogy, bring back George to oversee the REAL ST with directors like JJ Abrams bringing his vision to life as should have been the setup all the way along?

They could even have the first line of Episode VII be a character saying "this will begin to make things right"

 

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After two viewings I'm still kind of confused about the plot. This can obviously be explained by blaming my low IQ, but as a general rule of thumb it's usually not a good sign for the movie either.

 

He still seems to be somewhat involved outside of the ST. For instance apparently he gave some lore for TM and apparently met with the GoT guys when they were working on the Jedi Origins story. I suspect GL just wants his midichlorian story told and integrated into the lore.

 

I can guarantee that IQ is not a factor. The "plot" just doesn't make sense.

 

Pretty sure George wont come back. They murdered his vision of third act of 9 episodes saga, so he had nothing to come back for. Old Republic isn't his creation. Well, he may still come with some cool concepts for the Old Republic story, but given how much years it took to create Skywalkers saga, i doubt he would want to rush himself.

So, i highly doubt Lucas would come back just to be a consultant. He perfectly knows the inner kitchen and he know he won't be able to be free in there, and he has his own giant museum of storytelling project to think about.

Dont worry man, the problem isn't audience' IQ, but screen/story writers' mindfart. Literally anyone with somewhat writing talent would come up with more cohesive story that makes sense than what JJ/RJ/Kasdan gave us.

 

He does love his midichlorians. But if they do Jedi/Sith origin it would make sense to have him back.

For me personally, having him back in some capacity would increase some goodwill from me. I know that’s not true for everyone.

 

It would for me as well, but I don't think he's as not-involved in that stuff as we might think. I think the situation remains that GL is welcome to be involved, but he only chooses projects where he is interested in the story that is being told. That's why he wasn't involved in the ST much after they changed the fundemtnal of the story, but why he was involved in Solo (somewhat).

I think he'll be much more involved in whatever Filoni and Faverau do, simply because of their relationship.

 

Plot? Yea I can't recall.

 

TROS somehow managed to simultaneously have too much plot and not enough. It's like Schrödinger's movie.

 

For example the big villain who can electrify everyone, is he the exact same person as the Emperor in ROTJ or it was a clone and this is the original?
(Yes, believe it or not my level of understanding of this movie is THAT low. I'm actually asking this question.)

 

They don't explain it.

 

Don't feel bad. My level of understanding is such that I don't actually know the answer.

 

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