ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

Unfortunately, it is not up to us.

I do not have a problem with retcons in the broad sense of the word. Originally retcon means invalidating or cancelling something, but apparently the word now includes adding to what was previously established.

I don't have any issues with them adding more to the Obi-Wan story, even if they include another battle VS Darth Vader after the events of ROTS. If it's done well, I am all up for it. Like I was up for it when Obi-Wan dueled with Darth Maul in Rebels. This one was one of the best Star Wars moments ever, and it had the highest degree of emotional gravity. Because Filoni did it in a flawless way. So if the people responsible for the Obi-Wan show do a good job, I don't mind small retcons that don't really change the main story. It will be hard to change the main story, because of The Clone Wars and Rebels. THANK THE MAKER for Filoni, who covered that prequel era so much, that it will be hard for them now to invalidate 10 seasons of animated story material.

Filoni did some very risky choices in Rebels, with the World Between Worlds, and I didn't mind it at all. And other things too. I am open to new Star Wars ideas. I am not open to really bad Star Wars ideas and to deconstruction of characters.

Saying that the Jedi weren't perfect is one thing, but saying that they caused Anakin's fall and the Galaxy's fall to the dark side is just atrocious. This is why I hate the ST and TLJ. It completely ignores everything and just invalidates the best elements in SW.

 

This,THIS is what i'm hating about the ST. The Jedi are special but that does not mean you can only have one at a time on screen. This mindset i feel is what could kill this franchise just as it has done damage to the ST.

 

I think it depends on the individual mindset.

 

I love how they decided that Chewbacca, a rebel fighter who has participated in civil wars and insurrections for decades, is now "decidedly apolitical".

 

I think it depends on whether they make good movies and TV shows.

 

Chewbacca, person whose entire race was enslaved by space Nazis. Apolitical. Get the hell out of here with that.

 

I think people read too much into the extended universe, and always have. The extended universe, along with 99 percent of the outside marketing material, is just meant for a fun excursion. Do you really think Lucas or even Abrams could clear a question from one of those weapon books? Theyd probably look confused, if asked.

 

Episode X: New Trilogy, Who Dis?

 

I was talking about the ST impacting how you view other projects/films, not whether those projects are good or not on their own.

 

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If she had this deeply held faith why did she cry and reject the lightsaber then?

That's alot nicer than the way Luke worded it. I am just not looking forward to more of their "correcting" what they think is wrong with the PT or its characters. Don't make them OOC.

 

Then why are we so dependent on the EU to seek answers to plot-relevant points that the films should have provided?

It's quite telling that out of all the films, ST is the one that depends on outside EU materials to stand.

 

Oh big time. It at the very least it destroys my faith that they’ll deliver a coherent story that doesn’t contradict itself.

It makes me think we’re possibly in store for some really dumb ideas: yet another Empire, a bogus explanation for why there still aren’t more Jedi in the galaxy or perhaps we’ll get no explanation at all! A story about Rey and Ben Solo’s kid.

We’ll possibly get yet another Vader and/or Palpy stand-in and another galaxy in peril plot line.

We’ll get more callbacks to the other films even if the movie is in no way connected to the other films.

We’ll get somebody saying, “I’ve got a bad feeling about this”, “ I love you, I know” etc...

All that said, it would be something if we got a new movie that was 1) almost completely disentangled from the Skywalker Saga and 2) was basically the follow up to ROTJ that some of us hoped for, ie a Jedi Order if some sort, a plot that wasn’t just a rehash of the OT, new iconography, new types of characters, etc...

Even if it looks like a new movie will deliver that I’m not going to spend years speculating about them like I did with the ST. It’s not worth getting emotionally invested in this franchise anymore.

 

Yeah it seems like LFL feels like the most powerful thing about the Jedi is that they’re always on the cusp of being extinct. I’m so over that.

 

The answer is no.

TLJ was bad and no one wanted the #RianJohnsonCut.

Then again, we did get that one, but that was the problem.

Ok done hating for tonight.

 

Honestly, I believe the only reason GL sold Star Wars is because he didn't love doing it any more. He poured a significant amount of his life into making this universe and after all of the **** he took for the prequels, I have to imagine he asked himself at some point why continue to do it. If the people you're making this content for don't like it, and the nonstop negativity over your creative decisions makes you unhappy...why bother? You may as well put it all into the hands of someone who can give the critics what they want. And why should he do that for free?

I don't see it as selling out and I don't blame him. He told his story. It was complete. It knew what it was and delivered a well crafted universe of science fantasy. For all of the people who argued that the best of Star Wars came from the work of people not named George Lucas, the ST tested that theory and failed. Leave GL out of the fallout.

 

Who created the two way-finders and why? Then there is the dagger, and the dagger is needed to find the way-finder (I guess?). So it's a map of a map. Who would ever need this two levels structure? Isn't it more practical to just copy the location indicated by the way-finder directly?
BTW why do they exist in the first place?
I'm genuinely asking 'cause everything was happening so fast that I struggle to determine whether I missed something or these things weren't explained in the movie at all.

 

I think he sold it because he wanted to do it while he was still healthy and of sound mind, and he wanted to control who took it over. Instead of letting whoever gobble it up after his death. I imagine he feels incredibly betrayed as a result.

 

We must keep our faith in Deborah Chow.

 

To be fair to him, I don't think that there is a big corporation that would have treated it differently. Nature of the beast unfortunately.

 

I don't think this is a spoiler for Mandalorian, but I'm just going to tag it because better safe than sorry.

Spoiler

 

Agreed, however I believe he felt KK would be loyal to him and ensure his involvement in the creative process.

 

Why did they make wayfinders look like holocrons? Laziness?

 

She may have been overridden, since the final say isn't with her.