ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

I swear Lucasfilm have more characters like this in their new movies (Lor San Tekka, Maz Kanata, Chirrut) than ACTUAL Jedi.
And to top it all off - when you go to Galaxy's Edge they have yet another crew of "Jedi experts" to help you build your lightsaber... rather than... you guessed it... actual Jedi.

There is something so astoundingly amiss here.

 

Sidious, Dooku, and Maul.

 

My point is that, yes, he views it as incomplete, but not necessarily in the character sense perhaps. I don't think he was that interested in telling the story of Luke, Han and Liea. Their story is what he was, and probably still is, content as having finished in ROTJ. What I do think that he views as incomplete is the story of how the Force works. That's what he views as being needing to be put to film. This is why alot of his meetings with JJ seem to be about the Force. That's why he said he hopes the Force doesn't become convoluted. He probably would have preferred it to be told in the ST, but I don't believe he thinks the character drama is incomplete the way that it would have been without the PT. I still think he views it as the story of Anakin Skywalker, but he wants it told how the Force works, etc.

I don't know for sure but it's the sense I get from his statements.

 

That works in the context of one off films but enjoying something especially a universe needs more otherwise anyone can do anything, anything can happen and there are no consequences which in many cases just ruins the stories.

 

The Lando/Jannah situation is really weird. They needed to either put back the fact he had a missing child, or remove the last Lando/Jannah scene. Naomi plays it with such a wide-eyed innocent look, and it looks like she's realizing something very important. But without the backstory, it's a very weird scene. Honestly, I'm glad I read the leaks before I saw the film because otherwise I don't think I'd have been able to follow along.

Is that why Rey was so attracted to this vision of "Ben"??? Because she saw he was a mute and therefore wouldn't have to put up with any of his nonsense?

 

I get why you feel that but the way I regard it is if I let any part of the ST ruin any part of the Lucas SW movies then I let Disney win and I am far too stubborn to let that happen. My head canon is that the ST is alternative universe so in context of the first 6 films I totally ignore it. It doesnt make me any less angry about what a wasted opportunity the ST turned out to be though

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Yeah, angry as I am with how the ST turned out, I just have to push it out of mind and carry on. It means nothing to me any more. I have my SW canon: the OT; reluctantly, but necessarily, the PT; plus R1; some limited classic EU material.... In my hubris I even include my own personal fanfic as canon; on the days that I allow TFA to exist in the same space: I know my episodes VIII and IX are far superior.

I have many other interests, and I pursue them with renewed enthusiasm as the new decade dawns.

 

If there’s an orchestra near you that’s playing one of the OT movies, go. Seeing ANH with an orchestra and a crowd that was cheering it on got me past the ST, or at least so I could watch the OT again without thinking of the ST. Especially seeing kids brought by their parents and a tiny Princess Leia and young Obi Wan. Why Disney LFL decided to throw that away for the ST is absolutely beyond my comprehension.

 

**** outta here.......

What a mess.

TCF Edit: Hey, sacred forum, watch the language.

 

That's what he gets for leaving his script where he did...lol

 

tRoS clearly showed a zombie Palpatine, and suggested that Sith alchemy (would have been nice to explore/explain) was responsible for him. I take it that Palpatine was actually killed on DS2, but a Sith acolyte recovered what left of his body, cloned it (hence no deformities) and used Sith techniques to bind Palpatine's spirit to it from the Netherworld. This probably could only be done and maintained on Exegol (or maybe Korriban/Moraband) , given that it's a well of dark side energy - which would explain why Palpatine never left. The process is probably also imperfect, causing accelerated decomposition - this would explain Palpatine's desire for Rey, to use her as a vessel.

Have I said I hate mystery boxes? Because this is why I hate mystery boxes. You have to essentially create story to fill in gaps that should not exist.

 

You are referring to the artistry of filmmaking just like i am. The reason you find things unclear is because like i said before, it is a sloppy mess. People are overthinking aspects of the film which they want to be there, but are not. Palpatine wants Rey so that she can take the Sith throne. Its as simple as that. When he magically learns he can continue on by sucking the lifeforce from these two, he makes that choice instead.

And im not skipping over the film. Im mentioning the key events. Thats part of the problem with it; a lot of pointless moments here, likely tossed in to please fans but in turn only making less focused film.

 

That one needs a bloody book to explain essential components of the film's plot, which in themselves are still not that clear, says just how bad a job TROS does of making any sense at all.

 

In principle, mystery boxes should be just the promise of a payoff. The viewer gets intrigued, they start making hypothesis, and then boom, there is the big reveal, and we're all like wow! Now everything makes sense!
With JJ this is not the case. He just uses mysteries without a purpose, as if they were like any other artistic tool.
Take for example Rey's vision. It ended up being just a mix of uncorrelated scenes having very little to do with the lightsaber.

 

That and half of what JJ regards as mysteries when he applies mystery boxes to stuff like ANH, are legit just plot points that will be explained in the next scene. He sees set up and pay off as a mystery, and decides to one-up it.....and thus has no real plot aside from one mystery box to another

 

YEAH, NO.

 

Lando is a sauve, affectionate guy, so I can see how that could blur the line for some, but given his story about children abducted from his planet, I took it that he was genuinely interested in helping her find out where she belongs.

 

Two more months and I can see ROTJ in all of its glory. Am curious what the audience is gonna be like.

 

I'm talking about the last one. It was the worst by a long shot.

Don't make the mistake that "listening to the fans" means "doing what you and people like you want to do".

This was an attempt to not anger anybody and it was not good. Felt much more like an EU or comic book story. Had this been part of Rebels, I'd be ok with it.

I'll take TLJ every day over this meh movie.

 

TLJ was the epitome of a bunch of hacks being indifferent to, if not being antagonistic to, fans of a franchise.
The LFL tainted SW by not listening to fans and doing their own thing, that's been the issue with the ST

 

What's missing is Luke's New Jedi Order. LFL acts as if the Jedi had a rule of two (or one). Lowering the number of Jedi doesn't make them special or do anything for balance...

 

Couldn't disagree more. I'm sorry you felt antagonized. It didn't feel like a bad video game script.

I liked both of the first two movies and think the blew it with this one. I know that half the fanbase disagrees, but they needed to just lean into it, not try to placate people.

The ST, even with TLJ, would have aged well with a better final chapter.

 

Far too much trying to please the fans or make the fans version. Ultimately they made the film the louder fanbase wanted and now that theyve seen it they realize its not actually what they like about the saga.

The Last Jedi is the only one of the 3 that is remotely Star Wars in terms of themes, mythology, and respecting(to a degree) the original style of the prior films.

 

Usually when suits place the blame on the concept of fan service they're blaming the audience for their own failure and failure of their product with the general audience as well as the loyal fan base.

I really don't see anything in this movie was designed to titillate the fans or even arouse a general audience.