CT How long was Luke on Dagobah?

Well, I suppose that settles the question of how they got their. Though the backup drive would have to be almost pointlessly slow if the only viable choice of destination was Bespin. Personally I always perfered the sublight travel theory becuse it involves the least amount of mental gymantistics and you don't have to wonder why nobody brought the backup up in the film, but canon is canon i guess

Theres still the qestion of how long it took, though a week seems far more likley then a month or even a few weeks at this point. A couple of days still seems like reaching, though, given what we see on screen (Luke's statments about learning "so much" since the cave and the stark change in Han and Leia's relationship from "can barely stand each other and always aruging" to "showing affection to each other, barely arguing and have almost certinaly gone all the way")

 

The main problem with "slower-than-light travel all the way" is that Bespin is over a thousand light years closer to the galactic core than Hoth is, in canon.

So "much slower hyperdrive" still means 50,000-odd times the speed of light.

 

That a good point.

Personally i always assumed that whatever maximum sublight velocity was in SW was actually some form of low FTL, given how fast it seems to be to begin with (it would explain the chase taking them from Hoth to Anoat, which even if they started at the edge of one system and ended up at the fringe of the other would still require travling between them)

I suppose they could have been in the void but within the terratorial limits of the Anoat system at that point - Anoat's "terratorial waters" so to speak - rather then actually in the Anoat system

 

Maximum accelerations tend to be a few thousand G. An X-wing accelerating for several minutes at this kind of acceleration might be able to get from Yavin IV to a bit around Yavin, in a timeframe consistent with what we see, without invoking FTL - but the time constraints are certainly tight.

It's impossible for an X-wing to reach near-lightspeed before reaching Yavin, with the listed acceleration. It would take 2.3 hours for a ship to reach light-speed, accelerating at 3700G non-stop.

 

Fair enough, though I was actually refering to the maximum sublight in general being some sort of FTL by anouther name, and using the speed of the X-wings as an example showing how fast normal sublight was to begin with rather then an example of said maximum capablity, aplogies for any confusion.

And i suppose, and it had not occured to me until now, that their is the possibility they simply did a microjump from Yavin 4 to Yavin. But even if that was the case we still have plenty of exemples of their sublight being fast - I mean, even in ANH theirs still the scene with the Falcon and the TIE closing on the death star, were it turns from not being visable at all, to a distant spec and then to them being right on top of it in what, a few minates?

 

what are you talking about?

Sublight mean slower then the speed of light.
FTL means faster then lightspeed

You can't have a sublight that is faster then the speed of light, i mean it's literally in the name.

sure if you want to go with that then that means the time to get to Bespin from Hoth was less then an hour therefore Luke was on Dagobah only a few days.

Glad we cleared that up.

Blocking 3 blaster shots in the span of 1 second is pretty amazing for someone who never picked up a sword. Add in the fact he was blindfolded shows that he was doing something amazing. As we know from the PT the force allows you to see slightly into the future and as Obi Wan says it partially controls your actions.

Yes that is how the force works.

The fact that we have at least 2 hard answers there should clear out any doubt about the others. Also TLJ supports this as they get from the fleet to Canto in minutes. Not sure why you think it takes them longer but it doesn't.

Hell even Rey is able to get there from Ach To in a matter of minutes.

do you think there are hard definitions? this is a weird stance to take. My point is Star Wars was not made with science in mind. Lucas didn't sit down when writing the movies thinking "Ok well to get to the death star from Yavin it's gonna take 20 hours with sublight engines so i'm going to have the X-wings with a special faster acceleration to make it"

No he just thought ok the X-wings are going to fly there.

Really A New Hope is just a straight up classical fantasy film with Science fiction asthetics. But that is a discussion for another thread.

Oh please show me which times it takes days to get there in the movies. I know you can't because they don't exist. Now in the books in the old EU they do talk about having slower light speed so it's possible to get to places before other ships that left earlier but that doesn't change the fact that the canon is light speed can take only minutes to get somewhere.

Of course if you had examples you would have showed them. Fact is hyperspace takes minutes as per the scenes you agreed happened.

Never said instantly said a few minutes. TLJ they spend their time on the planet. They spend almost 18 hours on Canto this matches up with Rey's timeliine as well. The travel back and fourth takes minutes as I said before.

Poorly? Are you blind?

Ok so we are done here? Since Ironlord proved that they have a smaller hyperdrive that would allow them to get to Bespin in under an hour.

cool thanks for playing have a great day

 

I've said it before, but there is no coherent answer to be had here. By all filmmaking conventions, only a couple days at most passed for all the heroes. However, in terms of character progression, Luke underwent a rigorous Jedi training process which all logic would dictate should have taken much longer.

Likewise, there is no logical way, in terms of astrophysical science, that the Falcon could have ever traveled all the way to Bespin without the aid of a hyperdrive, let alone in the space of hours, as an intuitive reading of the film's portrayal of the passing of time would indicate.

There is no reconciliation here. Lucas and Kershner intentionally fudged it and contracted both time and distance for the sake of the narrative. Most people are so engrossed in the plot that they don't notice or think about such things, but we fans can't help ourselves. But the reality is that this is a dead-end. At the end of the day, it's just a space fantasy movie. People don't want to believe that the "greatest Star Wars movie of all time" could have such a glaring plot hole, but it does. It doesn't really matter. It doesn't make it any less of a good movie. The story and the characters are what really matter.

 

I did not say that. I said that, in the Disney canon (and in legends) they have a much slower backup hyperdrive.

 

which again we established that hyperdrive can take you across the galaxy in minutes. Even if it's slower we are still talking with in an hour.

So yes we have estabilshed that Luke was only there at most a few days.

 

The TLJ timeframe was 16 or so hours to cross the galaxy and back, minus however much time they spent on Canto Bight.

 

A turbo"laser" is not a laser, and a "light"saber is made of plasma, not light (and is'nt even a saber too boot)

We see how fast their ships move at standard sublight velocities, so it seems resonable that the upper-limits of could actually be some form of low-level FTL. I was just theorizing anyway, not trying to argue that it actually was.

It could still be considered "sublight" to them in the sense that its still below their defination of lightspeed, which is hyperspace.

If it was an a hour, explain the change in Han and Leia's relationship? I won't bother asking you to explain Luke's "i've learned so much since then" statement since you've already made your position clear on that.

Cool, he blocked baster bolts from a single sorce. That's impressive for a beginer, i'll admit. But it in no way means he could actually fight.

Hell, i've already provided canon sources of him doing that, and guess what? He sucks.

Becuse the fleet had 16 hours of fuel when the left, and were scraping the bottom of the barrel when they got back.

And while Rey leaves Ach-To after Finn and Rose get to Crait just before them (which makes sense becuse Ach-To and Crait and closer then Crait and Cantonica) we get no solid indication of the actual passage of time other then it falls within the alloted sixteen hour span (which was nearing its end by the time they arrived)

Hours, not days.

And I already did show you two exemples; TLJ (which is from the movies) and the season 3 premier of Rebels. Theres also Secret Cargo, the plot of which, like the premier, would'nt be able to occur at all if it was minates. (hell, if it were minates of travel you also run into the problem of why Mothma's shuttle left on its jurney with barley any fuel in the tank, since that's the only way it would need to be refueled for such a short trip)

I don't deny that those scenes happened but their outliers, since they don't mesh up with varius other examples.

Five minates might as well be instantly in this regard

And sixteen hours on the planet? And what were they doing all that time? Gambling? Going out for a fancy dinner? They already knew were the master codebreaker was and went stright their after they landed, and the police cuaght up with them not long afterwards so your saying what? They were in jail for most of those hours? They sure as hell wern't acting like it.

You keep saying its minates but the examples you've given are either A; outliers (Coruscant/Mustafar and Yavin/Scarif) that don't line up with what we see elsewhere, B; hyperbole (Piett) and C; not actually possible (ANH, since if it were just five minates they would'nt have even had time to set up the chess game and start Luke's training*)

*not to mention the fact that the Death Star would have already been to Alderaan and blown it up in the time that it took the gang to even get to the Falcon and take off, which was definatly more then five minates

No, but Luke was.

He got hit twice and deflect six bolts (only three were in quick sucession); I'll admit that impressive but he had 0 combat skills with the saber at that point - even the Stormtroopers would have killed him at that point if he had tried to fight them with the saber.

Really, if Jedi just got combat skills programmed into their mind by the Force why would they even need to get training to begin with? To get better? By this logic the Force should just make them better.

He proved they have a backup hyperdrive, but nowhere did he say how long it took them to get their.

If its hours with a reguler drive, then days seems likly with a slower backup; it would account for the changes in Leia and Hans relationships and Luke's statment that he's learned so much since the cave - the charecters actions and dilogue clear prove some time has passed, be it days, weeks or a month, between them leaving for Bespin and them getting their.

I'm not saying hyperdrives are'nt fast - we know they are - i'm saying their not that fast

Dude, their are plot points that would'nt be able to occur at all if that were the case.

Hell, even in ESB Luke leaves Hoth at the same time as Han and Leia but dos'nt get their until just after the Falcon goes and hides in the Asteriod, were as if it were minates he would have already gotten their well before then.

Sixteen? I thought it was eigtheen, my bad. I'll edit the above.

 

where are you getting that from?

 

I may be thinking of TROS. In TLJ the fleet has "18 hours of fuel left" - you were right the first time.

The fleet's only got 18 hours of fuel left.

Later

That was the last of their support ships. It's just their main cruiser now.
And their fuel reserve?
Well, according to our calculations ... critical.

 

you are missing the point. Yes they have 18 hours or 16 of fuel left. How are you coming to the conclusion that it takes them hours to get to Canto?

It takes minutes and they spend their time searching canto bite, getting arrested, spending time in jail, escaping and freeing the animals. That easily takes up more then 12 hours especailly since we see it coincideds with Rey's training.

 

3 hours to Craft, 12 hours searching and getting arrested (though I personally didn't think it took that long - didn't they leave Crait the same night they arrived at it), 3 hours back from Crait - 18 hours.

 

Honestly I have a hard time beliving they were at Canto Bight for anytime longer then a few hours. Do we actually have hard numbers? I've yet to read the TLJ novelization.

And yeah, they did leave the same night they arrived (unless someone wants to argue they were thrown in jail for a whole day, lol)

Personally I find it more likly the trip their and back were the longer parts (the trip back being the quicker of the two becuse as Finn noted the yacht "really cooks") while their time on Canto was somewhere between three to six hours (including time spent in jail) - they already knew were to look for the codebreaker thanks to Maz, so they would have gone right to the casino after landing. And the cops were looking for them and had their discription, so unless their the most inept cops in history it should'nt have taken them that long to find them even in a city like that if they were really looking (and Finn and Rose stuck out like sore thumbs)

 

It doesn't say - though it's strongly implied that the ship they returned in was much faster than the ship they left in:

"Four parsecs to go. This ship really cooks."

 

or... just maybe.....It takes Han and liea maybe 10 to 15 mins to hide in an asteroid. The chase scene we see is only 5 minutes of actual screen time.

which means the bulk of that time they where on Canto, searching canto bite, getting arrested, spending time in jail, escaping and freeing the animals. That easily takes up more then 12 hours especailly since we see it coincideds with Rey's training.

So yeah again that only supports a short 10 to what ever minute time in Hyper space.

We literally see them taking that time as I explained already. How long do you think it takes to find a code breaker on a planet?

You know what i'm going to play your silly game let's say it takes 7 hours to travel in Light speed. So it takes Han and Leia 7 hours to get to Bespin. Guess what? That STILL means Luke spent less then a few days on Dagobah so your arguement holds no water.

this is the most ridicoulus thing i have ever heard. Sublight isn't mentioned in any of the OT movies. You are adding things and changing the defintion of words that aren't even there

Congratulations you just played yourself. Thank you for proving my point. He had no lightsaber skills and then when he listend to the force and trusted the force he blocked 3 blaster bolts incredbly fast. Like the force was controling him like Obi Wan said it would and like Luke said he could feel.

Thank you.

Again it's not hours it's minutes as shown in the OT and other movies. Examples you agreed to.

Yes i agree it could be slower with a back up drive but not days. Hell even if it was days that is still very short of the WEEKS and MONTHS claimed.

Where did their relationship change? I'll show you right here



Again you are now claiming that things happened offscreen that weren't important to their relationship that where never shown or talked about.

If something more important happened Lucas would have shown that.

No those aren't the outliers those are the hard facts. It's the other way around. Those show it's canon that hyperspace can get you across the galaxy in minutes.

..... are you saying they wouldn't have time to set up a holographic game that literally just takes the time to turn it on? they didn't have 5 mins to flip a switch? A game that we know is on the first few moves because we see how Chewie reacts to losing a single player? Serosusly?


Start lukes training? His training on the falcon also only takes like 5 mins Obi wan would have shown him how to stand and then said here try blocking these blaster shots. Again 5 maybe 10 mins.

 

but you are making those numbers up..... Even then let's assume it takes 3 hours to get across in a slow hyperdrive that still means Luke was on Dagobah for less then a few days

so again thank you for proving this. Have a great day

 

You just said you thought it took them at least 12 hours to search. The numbers derived from that.

"Stand by, Chewie. Here we go. Cut in the sublight engines"

 

You got me with Sublight still dosn't change the fact that as we can clearly see Sublight is not faster then the speed of light.


Yup you are right I made a guess at the time either way you still proved that in no way was Luke on Dagobah for more then a day or so.


Once again Thank you.

 

We don't know how slow backup hyperdrives are compared to regular ones.

Plenty of room for "Luke took mere hours to get to Dagobah, but Han took weeks to get to Bespin".

 

Well except that also wouldn't work as Vader gets to cloud city "Just before you did"

You are also now presenting something that has not been seen in Star Wars and that is hyperspace taking days or even weeks.

 

Fett had to follow the Falcon for a while - once he was certain of the Falcon's destination (remember, it's over 1000 light years between Hoth and Bespin, so he can't be certain till it's quite close) - he called in Vader.

 

did it? Or did he just see the course he was headed and send the message on the most likely destination. He can't track through Hyperspace.

If the Falcon dropped out of Hyperspace at Bespin then Fett callled the Empire they would have noticed the Star Destroyers getting there.

The most likely answer is Fett sees the direction looks at what is in that direction sees that Bespin owned by Lando is the closest destiantion and tells the Empire.

Just as Vader wanted them to figure every destination on the last known heading. Which is also how Vader follwed the Tatinie V after Rogue One and into ANH to Tattoine