ST The Development Of The Sequel Trilogy

Yup. Another major story thread TROS discarded. Apparently, there was a cut scene on Mustafar between Hux and Pryde where they lament the "fires of rebellion raging" while Kylo's distracted in his search for the Wayfinder.

 

I also think that fight in UR/Exegol as opposed to GFFA (over some planet we have stakes in) was no1curr. It was a new territory that apparently existed only to house Palpatine and Sith and therefore the feeling that known world was at stake was completely lost.

Lighting of Beacons or Call to Arms is splendid idea but film-makers now look at Marvel so we got "And I Am All Jediron Men".

 

I wish we saw C-3PO's role in the final battle. Is just back with Maz and Leia's body? I'd guess he's on the Falcon so he can help translate different calls for help.

Do Lando, Chewie, and C-3PO go on a Blues Brothers style megaphone tour calling for help? I wish Niem Numb were with them. I guess he died. Is it true his co-pilot is scene in the ending celebraton?

 

To bring up Final Fantasy again, it echoes Final Fantasy XIII's ending where the protagonists can't the kill the god or they'll end the world (and the boss is begging them to put it out of its misery), but then they make a great big speech about how they have control over their destinies, won't be used as puppets, and promptly kill the god, which triggers the end of the world. There's more to it, but that's the general gist.

Personally, I doubt they're going to oust Kennedy (or anyone) over this situation, but, yeah, no one is certainly going to risk their lives to see Disney/Marvel blockbusters in the theaters (come November or any time soon) given how things with COVID-19 are, I guess, being handled and constantly evolving (if that's what you meant). Pardon for bringing it up here.

Finn and Kirk being marooned on a ice and desert planet wearing black is a completely irrelevant visual similarity I just wanted to bring up .

 

It's still blows my mind that TROS just completely dropped the threat of the First Order with a throwaway line like "people are rising up all over the galaxy." Unbelievable

 

Some of these arguments confuse me. To me it seems like people are suggesting that Finn's serious backstory being consistently undermined is a counterpoint to the idea that sequel trilogy is hampered by inconsistencies from director to director. I think TLJ followed up on some of the things from TFA for sure, just the worst ones. This is a ST thread, I don't know how "the problem actually started in TFA" makes any difference. Just because TFA had problems doesn't mean that TLJ didn't introduce new ones, or that it's any better for those problems to continue into TLJ when RJ apparently had the power to do whatever he wanted.

 

The whole trilogy suffers because of two opposing visions pulling at it instead of trying to be complementary to each other.

 

I don't think that. Her actions are based on what she knows and she doesn't know what's going on. I think she wasn't taking people to the brig. I think she said she was taking him to the bridge and turning him in for desertion. Maybe not kill, but it put him into unconsciousness and knock him back and I think that's more than Rey's actions did. But as far as I remember, Finn's not apart of the resistance in the movie. So, why should he be forced to stay with a group he has no allegiance to, by a normal human he barely (if at all) knows?

Chewie and Han had been on their own for awhile, as far as I remember. And he and Rey have left. Finn already did things for them.

 

Bingo. There was no clear vision for any of them to follow. We got two directors who saw Star Wars very differently and were told "hey, do whatever you want, it's fine." This is what happens when you don't plan properly and let your directors/writers do whatever.

 

What would make you think that? Do you think she put herself on Desertion Watch.. and when she caught people in the act before Finn what did you think she did with them? Send them out of the airlock? Also, that pod is Resistance property and could be necessary later for some other purpose. Finn has no right to waste a pod

 

I think they were more like the empire, to me. I don't care that much about it.

 

Huh?

 

When I first saw the whole movie, I thought she appointed herself. I only know what I think the movie has her say and I think it's:

ROSE: I'm taking you to the bridge and turning you in for desertion.

 

If you watch the making of TROS doc, really great, you can see deleted bits, nothing huge but Babu frik had a really funny bit yelling "Gooooo!"

 

Due to, to me, me thinking they're more the empire, I think I'm not really bothered by that and don't think they matter much.

 

The scene is yet another example of how derivative The Last Jedi is. Finn not being allowed to leave at that time is an echo of Han Solo on Hoth, when he has to “stick around for a little while longer” because General Rieekan doesn’t want any ships leaving the system until he has activated the energy shield.

 

Im confused as well.
You don't think the Empire were an imposing bad guy?
I feel they are one of movie history's greatest fictional antagonists personally.

However I am cool with the First Order seemingly only reigning for a year or so. Makes the impact of ROTJ a little less damaged - Palpatine barely makes it back to "living" before defeat again.
Imo the force was not fully imbalanced (again) yet.

 

I think Han is an established rebellion member and I think is said leader at that point.

 

It was shown in the novel adaptation she was assigned guard duty on the escape pods. It was her job to turn in people going AWOL.

Whether you agree with Finn’s actions or not, he did steal Leia’s homing beacon when no one was looking, stole supplies from Poe’s locker without telling him, and was caught by Rose before he could steal one of the ship’s escape pods.

Whether Finn was a member of the Resistance at that point is irrelevant.


From Finn’s POV, he had already did the exact same thing to the First Order in TFA, so why not do it again?


Han is allowed to leave in ESB, because he owns his own ship, the Falcon. And got clearance from the commanding officer beforehand.

Finn waited until everyone was distracted with the wounded Leia and the chaos of their ship’s bridge destroyed, to sneak away.

 

I think the empire had already been done. And I think replacing them with villains that are very similar, but more emotionally rampant, to me, doesn't do much.

 

It doesn’t matter. The point is that in both situations, the tactical decision is that nobody leaves if it poses a risk to the wider Rebellion / Resistance.

 

I think that's not in the movie.

I don't think Rose knew that. As far as I remember, she tases him based on him deserting alone.

I think based on her tasing him, as far as I remember, based on her seeing him as a deserter, I think it has relevance.

I don't think the last 2 things connect to my post your quoting.

 

Finn isn't a member of the resistance and Rose doesn't know if it'd pose a threat. In movie, she tases him based on her seeing him as a deserter, a call she has no right to make against someone who isn't a member of the resistance.

 

Okay I get ya.

Although I will say I found it pretty ironic that the First Order was essentially a front for Palpatine who was actually dwelling semi-alive hidden within somewhat of a maelstrom, with massive military power, arguably mirroring the Empire being born out of the Republic's war with the "Separatist" front in the PT.
Snoke, the supposed dark master of the main villain ends up quite a lot more like Dooku in ROTS.

 

It’s a risk by way of the fact that they would be an escape pod down, and also that they are in the middle of an evacuation, escape and evasion. There has to be a modicum of organisation and discipline even among a rag-tag group such as a resistance movement if tactical operations are to run smoothly and safely, otherwise there is chaos, and fatalities. It would appear that she has instructions not to let anybody leave the ship until they reach safety, and so nobody is leaving the ship, Resistance or not.