Full Series The Clone Wars 7.12 - Victory and Death (SERIES FINALE!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

In canon they make it clear Vader>Anakin. The 23 year old rots version of Anakin at least.

Hes the best lightsaber duelist among the sith.


And they added a scene in the comics the movies didnt show in which when he first wakes up as Vader after he just got burned on mustafar and learns about Padme hes strong enough in the force to push Sidious back and slam him onto a wall. Nobody has been able to do that Sidoius with the force except Yoda and now Vader.

 

Oh great thanks for reminding me of that absolute waste of an arc.

I’m surprised they didn’t release the finale as an individual episode as well as a combination of the whole final arc as I’m assuming it’s meant to be consumed.

 

There was no baiting in my post. Just my opinion of Dave Filoni's weaknesses as a storyteller. He has troubles letting his favorite characters die even if it could make the story more powerful, which is a common issue many writers struggle with.

 

Ahsoka's death would be a powerful moment, and I would cry, and it could give amazing storytelling, the same way it happened with Kanan in Rebels.

That does not necessitate her death, and as it was proven over the last 3 weeks, the potential for amazing storytelling was there without Ahsoka needing to die. I don't see how we could have gotten anything better than what we got with Episodes 7X09 through 7X12.

And she made Rebels better too. Filoni is a great storyteller, regardless of whether he killed off Ahsoka or not. I don't understand how some people have these very strong positions about what needs to happen in a story to make it a good story. A good story does not need certain events to happen, it just needs a heartfelt delivery, and Filoni's storytelling never lacked that element.

 

Someone here questioned where Ahsoka has gotten the cloak from.
Rex and her salvaged the cruiser. Rex had stuff with him, they found shovels and I bet they both got themselves food and other supplies. Some cloak for Ahsoka on a ship that was given by the one who wanted her back? No problem.

And considering what these cloaks look like, it might have been just some blanked she stitched together.


About the killing: some stories become better and more powerful without actively killing an amount of people. It shows the lenghts to go and another way to survival. This is the last moment of the Republic. The lenghty slaughter comes after.

 

That's one question that I was wondering myself. She definitely had two sabers with her up until the end.

 

It was baiting so that's why it was removed. If you have any further questions feel free to PM me. But don't repeat the same behaviour.

 

Just watching YouTube reaction videos of the final episode makes the consensus clear, it was pretty popular across the board.

It would've been great if Dave Filoni was given free range to contribute his storytelling to the movies. I re-watched TROS last night and barely felt anything as it was the end of the saga; compared to what most felt at the end of TCW. Filoni gets it. He's a true SW fan. Most would get the same melancholy feel at the end of TWC's Season 5 as well as Rebel's Twilight of the Apprentice. That's what you yearn for in good storytelling.

 

That would've been a powerful alternative. Though having all 3 of Maul/Rex and Ahsoka show up in Rebels it wasn't gonna happen. Though I think it would've worked brilliantly

 

Mod Edit: Nope. While Family Reunion and Farewell was not a good finale not by any stretch.
I think he works best with Lucas imo.

 

Mod Edit: Nope


It’ll be interesting whether we could ever get something live action for D+ series on the scale of the SoM.

 

@AndrewPascoe

Yeah. Not acceptable. Knock it off.

 

If you're only talking about Ahsoka's fate in Rebels, that's debatable in it of itself. It was a conscious decision that the TOTA episode would have a rather ambiguous end; though we still saw Ahsoka walking down those steps. In the weeks before that episode, I knew I felt that if anyone was going to kill her, it should've been Vader. Anyone else, even Sidious, would've been entirely anti-climactic and boring IMO. But instead she lives. She has a purpose to tell a story. Maybe one day she'll be one to tell Rey a story. I've got no problem with that for sure.

 

Why was praising Dave not allowed? Generally curious?

 

Knock off the arguing.

@AndrewPascoe

Yeah. See the thing is you were trolling and trying to rile up other users not praising. So knock it off.

 

Anakin, yes; Kenobi, no. Kenobi tells Anakin to let the one pilot go. Kenobi is, in a sense, the moral through-line of ROTS, and he views the clones as mere functionaries.

ROTS and TCW being the same canon doesn't mean attitudes and choices are comparable or can be plotted on a continuum. Yoda and Kenobi slaughtering clone troopers in ROTS makes sense because the clones in the theatrical movies are basically mindless killing machines. Ahsoka trying not to kill clone troopers here also makes sense, at least in a really subjective sense, because the show actually bothers to show a different side of the clones, although that desire is futile if she wants to live, which she does.

 

Moving right along -

I loved that Mando and this arc showed that Star Wars could support vastly different musical composition compared to the traditional orchestration. Some of the stuff in Shattered and this episode was fantastic and I’d love to hear more of it going forward. Break out of the mold so to speak.

Again I disagree. Rex even acknowledged that they’re now just that - mindless killing machines. It’s what breaks him.

Choices of the individuals have to be unique and they definitely are in this scenario - I just don’t think it worked here for me given the circumstances.

 

Well of course there was that hint of orchestral music composition at the end of The Wrong Jedi when Ahsoka walks out on the Order.

 

I don’t want them to abandon orchestral music but I would also like them to flex their abilities and new perspectives and sounds and moods through their musical choices.

 

Lol. #CloakGate

 

Overall, I thought this was a really good finale. The only thing is Ahsoka's emotional response to this whole mess. I get that she's more adult and in control now, but she seemed almost robotic in the ways she immediately adapts to the clones turning on her.

Loved the final scene though. I think we got a piano version of the music that plays at the end of Twilight of the Apprentice, did anyone else notice that?

 

Remember she's been through this twice already. Once in Brain Invaders, once in the Fugitive arc. This was closer to Brain Invaders in that it was immediately obvious from her POV that something bad had "taken control" over the clones. It makes sense for her to stay in balance and maintain emotional control. I would have been sorely disappointed if they'd taken any other approach in her final TCW moments.

Ahsoka's Theme, and no, they can never sneak that one by me .

 

Loved the music during Rex and Ahsoka final scene.. very Blade Runner 2049
Overall very solid arc! and so sad to see the end... again...