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Books Queen's Peril (New Padmé book by EK Johnston)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Todd the Jedi , Nov 27, 2019.

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  1. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Stories can and do go off into irrelevant little tangents, they're not essays. I suspect few stories will have what you're wanting.
     
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  2. Jid123Sheeve

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    I've read stories were the tangents are more fun then the main part ;p
     
  3. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Some of the best Discworld material is to be found in the footnotes.
     
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  4. Jid123Sheeve

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    Never read Discworld but I'll take your word for it.
     
  5. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    You might enjoy it, it's one of the few fantasy worlds that develops over time.

    Where it would have gone if Pratchett hadn't died is one of the great 'what if's.
     
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  6. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod & Bewildered Conductor of SWTV Lit &Collecting star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    So, yeah...
    These lines all beg to differ.

    I'll make this 100% clear. There will be zero tolerance of homophobia or homophobic gatekeeping. Nor will there be any tolerance of talk of a malevolent conspiracy to add homosexual/queer characters to Star Wars works.

    If you wish to be educated on this subject and not just come across as a homophobe, you can head to the diversity thread.
     
  7. Grievousdude

    Grievousdude Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    So... anyone in the UK have a copy of this yet? Still showing up as unavailable for me on Amazon.
     
  8. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Have a copy on order with BD, hopefully get it next week.

    Serious Q: What does this term mean? I suspect I can work it out, probably nothing good but prefer to get a definition. Haven't come across it previously.
     
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  9. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    edit - oops, double post
     
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  10. Sudooku

    Sudooku Jedi Master star 4

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    [face_idea] Thanks so much for the clarification. I was not aware that such wider talk of a malevolent conspiracy did even exist. :eek:
     
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  11. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod & Bewildered Conductor of SWTV Lit &Collecting star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Just gatekeeping stemming specifically from homophobia. Statements along the lines of "I don't want gay characters in the stories I read/watch" or "I wish writers wouldn't force gay characters into my preferred stories", and of course the more direct "keep the gays out of x franchise". I can't tell you how often I came across variations of all of those when Aftermath came out.
     
  12. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Thanks, more or less what I suspected - just hadn't seen it phrased that particular way.
     
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  13. Xammer

    Xammer Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Thing is, a lot of people tend to think this way -- that they don't mind the idea of homosexual relationship in media, but for every instance they see they jump to the conclusion that the creator couldn't have simply put it there like the rest of the work, it had to be by coercion or by desire to conform. It's hard to get someone out of this mindset. I think looking at non-mainstream media (which is often more queer) tends to help, especially when one had a direct contact to the creator (like in web novels or fanfic), because then it's harder to assume malevolence.
     
  14. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    Paul S Kemp literally took a break from writing because he was so disillusioned by the Trump administration. I don’t think anyone had to coerce him into including socially progressive elements into Lords of the Sith.
     
  15. Jid123Sheeve

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    If anything isn't it more the opposite problem....I like to believe creators would LOVE to add more varieties of relationship into there stories but the execs and censors tend to say no and creators have to really fight to put that stuff in.
     
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  16. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    In film and television moreso, yeah I figure that’s probably very much the case. I recall hearing that to extent where there was hesitancy about a 2 second kiss between two female resistance members at the end of TROS because of concern it would outrage the Russian and Chinese audiences.

    With comics and books I get the impression that there’s more freedom. Probably because they’re not trying to appeal to the widest possible market.
     
  17. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    Then they cut that scene from those releases anyway.

    About LGBTQ+ characters in Star Wars, can't say I care in and of it self. As long as they are a good character and the author doesn't carry on about how great they are for putting it in (Look at a you traviss, who biowear beat by years anyway), it's not a factor in and of it self, not everyone enjoys it (or relationships in general) but I don't see them as a big deal.

    Times change culture does as well.
     
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  18. LAJ_FETT

    LAJ_FETT Tech Admin (2007-2023) - She Held Us Together star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    My copy has shipped - I should get it Friday, according to the tracker. The book is now showing as 'temporarily out of stock' on Amazon UK. Note that I pre-ordered the book back in January. I imagine all the stock must have gone to fulfilling the pre-orders.
     
  19. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    My copy is in the post
     
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  20. Grievousdude

    Grievousdude Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    So I guess either a lot of people pre ordered it or they hardly got any copies in to begin with? Even if I can't get it straight away though, I've noticed quite a few of the YA books have ended up in The Works a bit later for like £2-£3 so I'm sure I'll get it eventually.
     
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  21. devilinthedetails

    devilinthedetails Fiendish Fanfic & SWTV Manager, Tech Admin star 6 Staff Member Administrator

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    Silly goose that I am, I thought I had pre-ordered the Kindle edition, but I actually had pre-ordered the hardcover edition. The hardcover edition may have ended up taking longer to arrive, but it was worth it for the breathtakingly beautiful cover art, which can make a gorgeous set with the lovely cover art of Queen's Shadow. I really think that Queen's Shadow and Queen's Peril have the best cover art of the New Canon so far. So impressive with the back cover of Queen's Peril channeling that classical aspect of Naboo culture in a sort of portrait style of Padme that I really love. Hopefully nobody minds if I share some photos of the covers of Queen's Peril, but I just wanted to share the beauty with those who might have gotten the Kindle edition, for example.

    The stunning front cover:

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    The beautiful back cover:

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    Moving beyond the cover, I finished Queen's Peril last night. Overall, I enjoyed the book and found it to be good though not as good as Queen's Shadow. For me, the two biggest strengths of this book were in character development and world-building. With regard to character development, this book featured many scenes of Padme bonding with her handmaidens and provided backstories for all of Padme's handmaidens in TPM as well as expanding on the horrors the two handmaidens (Yane and Sache) experienced when imprisoned at the Trade Federation camp. Governor Bibble and Captain Panaka while still being in their TPM roles were also explored beyond their TPM selves to become characters with perhaps more complex motivations and a more rounded sense of being real people than their minor roles in TPM could allow. In Queen's Peril, they can become more major characters worthy of focus. Some interesting insights into Valorum, Palpatine/Sidious, and Maul among others are also provided.

    As far as world-building goes, we get to see more of Naboo and its rich culture, which is always awesome in my opinion. We also learn more about the Senate debate regarding taxation of trade routes through both Valorum's and Palpatine's perspectives. We learn about Naboo's past policy of essentially isolationism under the reign of the queen prior to Amidala, and how Padme hosts a diplomatic summit with leaders of neighboring planets to try to forge social, political, and economic bonds within Naboo's sector. We also learn about how the danger of the Trade Federation blockade is exacerbated by the agricultural situation of a diminished crop yield on Naboo. So, to me, Queen's Peril adds a lot of world building and character development to TPM and the lead-up to TPM.

    Overall, I think the lead-up to TPM was better executed in this book than the events that occurred during TPM. The events that occurred during TPM often felt rushed and received minimal expansion (almost as if the book was just trying to summarize them rather than delve into them in any great detail). This created a sort of "unbalanced" feel to the book as if the exposition received a ton of development but the conclusion was hurried through, which was strange as well since the book itself was only 276 pages and could easily have been expanded to allow a deeper dive into the events that occurred during TPM. That's why I would say that the first two-thirds of this book are stronger than the last third.

    On a whole, I would say that it is a good book that adds to the characters and world-building of TPM and the era immediately before TPM, but that structure especially of the final third is something of an Achilles heel. A good book but not rising to the level of greatness that Queen's Shadow did in my humble opinion.
     
  22. LAJ_FETT

    LAJ_FETT Tech Admin (2007-2023) - She Held Us Together star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'd imagine that a lot of UK folks pre-ordered the HC of this because the UK PB of Queen's Shadow had a pretty crappy cover (mostly red and black). I actually ordered Queen's Shadow from the US site for that reason (and a few other books I couldn't find on the UK site).
     
  23. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Yep, the US hardbacks are far better than Egmont's UK paperbacks.
     
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  24. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    Are they deep insights? Do you see much from Valorum?

    What do we learn about the Queen before Padame?

    So it covers TPM in under 100 pages?
     
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  25. grungebunny

    grungebunny Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Amazon UK shipped today! Looking forward to it.