ST THE RISE OF SKYWALKER mirroring and symbolism

Not sure these are exactly the shots you mean?

I have more coming later...

 

Like Mother, like Daughter







Similar scenes down to both of them holding on to a necklace related to their husbands

 

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Obi Wan arrives on an Opie (desert creature with long legs) carrying Luke Skywalker to be adopted by Owen and Beru. Obi Wan will be in Tatooine for a long time watching over Luke.


Old lady comes with a Long legged desert creature, and asks Rey her last name . The lady says it’s been along anyone came over (so she’s been waiting a long time) for this moment . Rey answers it is Skywalker (she adopts) name.

Cheers!

MJ

 

Brilliant! Excellent DW23 . I’m impressed.

Cheers !

MJ

PS. I put in spoiler tags. Hope that’s ok DW23.

 

Thanks man

I still think it's pretty random that old lady gets the penultimate line in the Skywalker Saga lol

 

What do people make of this one?

A Palpatine and a Skywalker side by side...

 

Never be afraid of who you are

 

Yes that is the gist of it I think. Thanks.

JJ seems more aware of birth/death symbolism than I gave him credit for. If it is intentional I am impressed.

Whoa that is so fitting. The necklace related to their husbands and everything. Seriously, good eye.

Yes the desert creature and the Skywalker references stood out to me as well. Good way to tie everything together.

Btw thanks for everyone's input. Keeping this thread interesting

 

Cheers guys

If anyone has any other ideas also let me know now I have been let loose with the ability to post screenshots again!

 

If you don’t mind me saying DW23, I request you put spoiler tags so that we can post to our hearts content and pester you to post more! The bigger file pics will clutter the thread.

That said , can you post a lying Leia wrapped in the blanket after she had died. I think it’s the same material Anakin wrapped Shmi. It is when Poe sits next to her.

Cheers!

MJ

 

For consideration...guys. Please tell me what you think.

I'm going to dwelve deep into symbolism between TLJ and TROS.

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In TLJ Rey was still looking for her family and she went straight to the dark. It was calling her. She was not at peace.
















Water symbolism my view, she will be baptised so to speak (spirit of adoption) later in the future but hard to see then. In TLJ she discovers her family non-existent at that point in the cave as she falls in. Note that the water dries up when her hands collapses on the rock.



This leads me to TROS....

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So come TROS, she adopts herself to the Skywalker family, and thus becomes independent by her choice (explained below) , but by taking both sabers,

First she wraps them up with respect:






and burying them.







The sand symbolism by burying the sabers is a new life (as experienced in TLJ water baptism yet to be seen and don't forget it dries up) for her in adopting the name of Skywalker (her parents no longer a burden for her. She called them strong vs Palpatine's "weak!") .but as an individual herself. Removing the Palpatine lineage.

The sequence from the TLJ pics above, is reversed purposely in TROS by JJ....from RJ's and that's intentional.

So, completes the reversed sequences we see later we she has made her own lightsaber so doesn't need the Skywalker sabers. :

Completely at peace.






She has everything she needs!

Bonus TLJ Luke and what I believe to be the essence of Luke Skywalker even if it seemed against character (and it was on purpose) RJ said

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Luke was not a coward. I agree completely without reservation.

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TLJ Luke respectfully puts back his Jedi cloak. Showing his conflict of giving up and keeping his Jedi heritage. Another RJ intention and purpose.






Compare that with Rey above. This is the link and it works perfectly, IMO.

Indeed The Rise of Skywalker.

Cheers!

MJ

 

Wow, did not notice the parallel between the hole on Ach-to and the burying of the lightsabers before

I think there is probably a parallel between the mirror cave and Rey's vision of herself in the DS2 sneaky artifacts room as well

 

It took me a few reads to get my head around this but now that I understand I think you are on to something.

That has to be intentional, it encapsulates Rey's journey beautifully.

Also I just rewatched the scenes and in TROS you even have the sandcrawler before the homestead (beginning of Luke's journey ANH) then BB8 with Rey (beginning of Rey's journey TFA).

And the TLJ hole and TROS hole, you're right, it is reversed. In TROS Rey finally finding belonging and at peace with both her passed on real parents, her passed on adopted Skywalker parents, and herself. Really she is at new beginning.

I am still a little confused about the baptism metaphor that has been mentioned before. Reverse baptism into loneliness? I'm perplexed.

The water disappearing as she puts her hand on the rock does seem meaningful, yes. She finds her final identity with a sand symbolism metaphor, which is kind of ironic with Luke and Anakin both having desired to get away from their desert homelands... and while Rey didn't want to leave Jakku because she wouldn't be there for her never returning parents, she finds what she wanted in another desert origined lineage. Makes taking the name more meaningful.

 

Thank you.

Oh that's a good one. Perfect!

Yes exactly. That's a nice way to wrap it up "A New Beginning"

To be frank, I'm still not exactly sure how to express it or describe my thoughts. But it may be to do with the Jedi who have gone before Rey, including Luke. They return from the Netherworld telling her she's not alone. Strangely in TLJ Kylo says "you're not alone" but may not be that strange as in TROS Rey comes back to life by Ben's sacrifice even after the Jedi give her the strength to defeat Palpatine.

Baptism still involves water even if the sand expresses Rey's final identity. This will require looking at Kylo's turn at the DS when Rey heals him. Water all over and notice that as soon as his wounds are healed a spring of water falls over Rey. Even she's in pain after Leia's death, knowing her stabbing Kylo ended Leia's life yet follows through healing the "monster" (Kylo) and then says "I did want to hold you hand, Ben's hand". This means, TLJ again will need to be re-looked ie Rey " You are a monster", Kylo :"Yes I am" as it in when the confront each other in Ach-To in the rain outside the Falcon.

We're on the same wavelength!

Cheers!

MJ

 

That is an amazing callback. Thanks for pointing that out. Amazing that now holding the object allows a Jedi to do something else with hit. Leia at the very least uses it to focus herself.

 

Thanks, love parallels with Leia in

 

I'm going for something ambitious here...

Analysing the TFA Forceback in light of TROS:

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The vision sequence starts and ends with simple enough imagery, the duel on Bespin and Rey's duel with Kylo on SKB





This shows when Vader and Luke fought and the saber was lost, then when Rey and Kylo fight for the first time and the saber calls to Rey.

But what about the other images?

We see Luke and Artoo



Obviously linked to TLJ and the flashback sequences there


This shows the start of Ben's descent to the dark side and the force being thrown back out of balance.

We see Kylo killing some unidentified warriors


I am now convinced this is referencing this scene



And Kylo's search for this



We then see this



Which was revealed in TROS to be linked to




Which leads Rey to seek to find a way finder of her own to locate Palpatine.

This forces her into her last force vision



A continuation of the mirror themed vision she had in TLJ (before she knew who her parents were)



Showing that overall Rey's initial vision was linked to Vader revealing his familial connection to Luke, a link with Kylo Ren, the actions of Luke and Kylo which throw the force out of balance, Kylo's search for the wayfinder and the fate of Rey's parents all leading Rey to discovering her own family connection to the dark side and the confrontation with Palpatine in TROS.

Who says the ST is not connected?!?

 

Keep up the good work @DarthWolvo23 .

Also, I posted earlier the TFA and TROS visions start the same with a door opening on its own, and a Jedi/Sith artifact causing the visions.

 

Good thoughts @MarcJordan .

I doubt most of the viewers will know about this stuff, it is a shame.

 

Btw I didn’t read any Chris Terrio interviews till just now and I found this:

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“She chooses the spiritual ancestry of the Jedi instead of the blood ancestry of Palpatine”

Color and bold mine.

So my “Spirit of Adoption” and rejecting the Palpatine lineage, POV is closer to the truth. Her own choice eventually.

Cheers!

MJ

 

@reyvision
Perhaps you can add to @MarcJordan 's observations on the legacy topic? Your posts seem related.



I want to add something to a post I did a couple of days ago:

Another inversion I overlooked is Anakin's mother vs Luke's father.

Anakin never knew a true father, Luke never met his mother.
The conversations I discussed are about;
- Anakin's missing mother... "Your mother's dead son. Accept it."
Yet at this point Shmi is still alive.
- And Luke's seemingly deceased father... "He knew my father?" "I told you to forget it."
Yet Vader is technically alive, though spiritually almost dead.

Luke idolised his father, who represented some dreamed of future. Anakin adored his mother, missing when "life seemed so much simpler" living with her as a child.

This is one of the more significant examples of Lucas mirroring father and son I believe.

 

What I find especially interesting is if you tie in Rey and Kylo here. Rey wanted nothing more than to have loving parents. She had them until they were murdered, but she yearned for them the rest of her life. Ben Solo, unlike Luke and Anakin and Rey, did have a loving family his entire childhood and even into adulthood, but he murdered his father and was a big reason for Leia's eventual death as well, not to mention Luke's. To make up for this, Ben sacrificed himself to bring back Rey (granddaughter of their greatest enemy), so Rey could have the legacy he threw away and find the belonging and family she sought her entire life.

 

Is there a shot or scene that anyone can think of that is echoed throughout all 9 films?

 

That's a tricky one.

I doubt it... maybe something with Artoo and Threepio?

Or an identical saber slash?

Maybe something with a planet from a distance?

I was thinking maybe Star Destroyers but there aren't any in TPM.

A pan down somewhere? I know in terms of opening scenes AOTC pans up but somewhere else in the movie maybe.

 

The opening title over a star field.

All the films have a space ship fly by the camera.

All the films show a planet from space.