The Mandalorian The Mandalorian Season 2 Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

Abandon him? We are talking here about the point when Ahsoka will become Baby Yoda's master. Potentially leading to a new TV Show.

 

Not only is the Child an essential part of what makes the Mandalorian work, I honestly don't see how having him train with Luke affects the larger story in any kind of substantive way. We know already that Luke doesn't focus on training Jedi for some time after ROTJ. Instead he's out researching Jedi lore. Then when he starts his Order, it fails and his students are killed. So what is the purpose of getting the Child to Luke?

Having the Child train with Ahsoka could happen, but again, it plays no role in the ST. It could play a role in whatever Ahsoka is up to, or what Jedi plots take place in the Filoni-verse, but other than that, the Child could only be relevant to post-ST stories. But that's 30+ years from The Mandalorian, so what need is there now to have the Child train with Luke or Ahsoka?

And this training is even less necessary when we consider what The Mandalorian could do itself -- if Din can't find Jedi to train the Child regularly, he might research their ways and do it on his own. Seeing a Mando train a Jedi from his Mando perspective would be original and more interesting than handing him off predictably to Ahsoka or Luke.

And of course, I feel this is most likely what we'll see since the show is about a father and son learning from each other.

I'm not sure why people want to see predictable, been there before plots just because they assume the Child must train with the Jedi for some reason? It gets us where exactly? If you're hoping for a new Jedi Order, the larger story tells us that is Rey's responsibility. The Child has plenty of time to meet her after Din is gone.

 

This is something that I am finding very interesting in your post.

And to go along with that, to reflect on the people asking why they would use Ahsoka here if they don't intend to drop the Child off with her... Think about Din's headspace; he just found out that his whole belief system is one that has essentially been ostracized by Mandalorian culture proper. That is going to be something he is going to have to wrestle with for a long time. Now, sure, they could have invented any random Jedi survivor to have Din meet in this upcoming episode - but Ahsoka is especially poignant because she, in the past, walked away from the Jedi Order, which I think is something that Din is going to be doing in the future with the creed of the Children of the Watch as well. Whatever Force/Jedi lessons that Ahsoka gives the Child will almost certainly double as life lessons for Din as well, to help him navigate along that path and find balance within himself internally rather than as an external part of his creed that he was indoctrinated into.

 

Does anyone think Cobb Vanith will return for the end of season team up?

 

Given what we know, if the Child ends up with the Jedi it means his ultimate fate is getting offed by Kylo Ren. That's quite the bummer ending to what feels like a series that opens story space, not closes it...?

Another thing, Yoda said he'd been training Jedi for 800 years when he was 900, so we have to assume his species is adult at around that age. So isn't it weird he's basically a toddler at half that age? Or the Yodaoids hafe a super accelerated puberty, or what??

 

Well if it cheers you up, the fact that Ahsoka (and Ezra) are still alive after RTJ shows Filoni has no respect for OT Starwars Canon, its very unlikely he's going to have it for ST Canon.

 

I'm not a big fan of BY. He should leave when he should.Don't let his popularity influence the direction of the story.


But I'm sure Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni can handle BY.

 

The endgoal was to bring the child back to his kind. His kind aren't the Jedi. They're merely the connection that is available to Din right now, and he interpreted the Armorer's words in such a way that the Jedi are the child's kind, which isn't the case. The child uses the force, Mandalorians know of a group called Jedi who possess these abilities as well, hence they might be able to help or point in the right direction.
It is certainly possible that the eventual story will be about "a Jedi" helping Din find the child's kind, leaving him with them, and as a possible character to return later on in an entirely different story. Or the outcome will be that the two will just wander about. Seeing how the child can turn a few hundred years old, and Kylo Ren killing other Jedi pupils happens in around 20 years or so, there is lots and lots of time for the child to end up with the Jedi without him having anything to do with the end of Luke's temple.

It's not like Yoda's statement about having trained Jedi for 800 years (which seems more like an approximation than a specific number anyway) means that everyone of his species would be able to do that at such an age. Yoda wasn't some random person, he was THE Jedi for centuries. So there's even more room for the child to become a Jedi at some point without having anything to do with what happens in the (currently existing) movies.

Species age differently. There doesn't need to be some sort of linear growth, humans don't have that sort of growth either. It definately requires a lot of development over the next 50 years compared to the first 50 years, but it is not unthinkable. It's not like the way a species ages and how much experience it takes to be able to train other Jedi are linked. If you have been a Jedi for 20 years, you have been a Jedi for 20 years. The experiences gained over that timeframe are identical, regardless of how long it takes a species to grow / age when younger.

 

Well remember the child is just a baby and he has been a baby for 50 years so will probably continue to age incredibly slowly. so for all we know in 30 years he is still a toddler who may be a little more vocal but still very young. so even then it kinda does mean he needs to be looked after by someone whose willing to look after a child. and with Luke its hard to say whether his school even had other teachers who could look after the child. the whole Kylo thing is irrelevant because apparently, this child gets around when he has too so who knows where he would be at that time

I don't tbh. the whole structure of these last few episodes has brought in different characters for each episode. i ain't expecting any of them to come back for the final. Cobb was just one of those.

 

Season one's structure was also episodic in that sense, and then Din went and got the gang together for the final two episodes. Something similar could theoretically happen here, but I'm not expecting them to riff on that same finale structure beat for beat. Cobb showing up again seems inevitable, but I don't think it will be a recruitment situation. I think it will be Din coming (perhaps to return the armor, now that he knows his creed is flawed) that leads to another situation on Tatooine itself, likely the "proper" introduction of Boba as an antagonist.

 

But Din doesn't know his creed is flawed. whether Bo said it, Mando didn't seem to acknowledge it and clearly, he isn't heading back to talk to the armourer who clearly isn't important in this story.

Most of series 2 has been set up. but i don't think its set up for the final. i think alot of it is set up for potential stories elsewhere.

 

That's just speculation though. There is no pre-set data for how this specific species develops. It could just as easily take a while to get going and then mature in a much shorter timeframe. It can be whatever the creative leads want it to be. It's not like humans see steady growth either. Development changes quite drastically over the early years. And there are plenty of other life-forms on earth who have a completely different growth-pattern than humans do.

 

I think he's starting to doubt his creed but yeah, I agree that he isn't quite there yet. Ahsoka will probably be another one that helps him take his next step in realizing that, however - she is the ex-Jedi that stepped away from the corrupt and failing Jedi Order, after all.

Even before Bo-Katan, though, I do think that it was Cobb Vanth that was actually the first one to get him to start putting a little more thought into the restrictions of his creed. He left that encounter on Tatooine with a lot of respect for Cobb, even though Din wasn't really at a stage yet where he was really able to start questioning the system that he grew up in.

It'll probably be a while yet before we see Din start fully giving up on it and removing his helmet, though. I'm sure the first "biological" form that actually gets to see him without the helmet is going to be the Child... perhaps after a rescue mission to save him, if Gideon does wind up taking the Child in this coming episode?

To add onto that, I'm sure there's also a heavy nature vs nurture element at play as well. Yoda probably grew up in relatively peaceful circumstances, and was likely brought into the Jedi Order at a very young age. The Child, on the other hand, seems to have spent a large portion of his life getting poked and prodded by Imperial scientists, stolen by pirates and bounty hunters, and always on the run with Din. His time with Din now is definitely the most "at peace" that he's ever been, and he is probably going to begin developing more steadily in his current situation that he would have had he remained a lab rat or a hostage.

 

Seen a couple of good images of them and they are really like the Phase 1 Darktroopers droids. Skinny little arms and exposed cables.

 

If the Child is baby Yoda (=same species) and the 'pregnancy' in the tank is baby Snoke, then Yoda's 'we are [that is, 'I am'] what they grow beyond' in TLJ could maybe be read literally and not only as a metaphor. In the novel, Yoda sounds 'faintly regretful' when he says that. You are 'regretful' about a choice, as an adult. Snoke was 200 years old, according to Andy Serkis.

 

Snoke was 200 before Canon decided who he even was. so i ain't sure it counts who Andy Serkis thought he was at the time

 

Obviously the writers and creators of the Mandalorian are not setting up Baby Yoda just to have him murdered by Kylo Ren. I mean, there is such a massively low probability of that happening. So low that it’s not even worth bringing up.

 

The way I see it, Baby Yoda will be the lead character along with Ahsoka on the TV Show that will come after the Mandalorian has finished. I could even see whatever comes after the ST in the timeline based on the potential TV Show with Ahsoka and Baby Yoda.

In 10 years, we might be surprissed by how much the Mandalorian influenced SW for the years to come.

 

Good to hear. The Phase 1 darktrooper droids are the only good design. They became far too beefy and cartoonish after that.

 

Side quest implies no impact on moving the story forward. While you could argue there being a couple in season one there hasn’t been any in season 2. Even then each of those episodes of season 1 have had payoff later in the show.

There’s been plot and motivations and set backs but by no means would that equate to side quests. Would you prefer Mando just be given the armour by Vanth without issue? He have an uneventful trip to Trask? Bo Katan just give him Ahsoka’s location because “hey you’re a Mando like me!”?

Without complications, set backs and revelations you have no plot.

In other news it looks like we are getting season 2 of Disney Gallery for Mando so that is exciting.

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/disney-gallery-the-mandalorian-season-2-coming-soon/

 

Don’t think it will be a surprise. It’s already about 110% clear that the Mandalorian will have a massive influence on the future of Star Wars.

 

Fantastic news!

 

Was there any doubt? It was great the first time.

 

But usually its the endings that move the story forward. so you need to get through the side quest to find out his next stop.[/QUOTE]

 

Given that season two's production wrapped not very long before the initial COVID locodown went into effect, I was a bit worried that they may not have been able to do one this time around. But I'm very glad that it is indeed happening - I was expecting the season one Disney Gallery to mostly be fluff but it was shockingly insightful.