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Which version of Alderaan's destruction and the death of Bail Organa are actually canon?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Biel Ductavis, Apr 10, 2021.

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  1. Biel Ductavis

    Biel Ductavis Jedi Master star 4

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    The version from "A Certain Point Of View", where he's in his palace together with his wife, or the one from Star Wars Squadron, where he's in a rebel base somewhere on Alderaan when the superlaser destroyed the planet?
     
  2. JediBatman

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  3. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I wouldn't take Squadrons' stylized cutscenes as actual depictions of canon.
     
  4. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    The canonicity of FACPOV can vary from story to story, but at the same time there is nothing to suggest that what we were seeing on Alderaan was supposed to be literally what was happening (when the "orange glow" thing happens during the story it should probably be taken as a more abstract and artistic interpretation of events). To be honest I don't think we can fully rely on either version to be the "canon" story of where Bail was or what he was doing at the moment of Alderaan's destruction. Fit either one into your headcanon as desired.
     
  5. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    what? Squadronds cutscene of Bail during the destruction? Or did you mean the squadrons intro animation and not an actual story cutscene with ingame rendered graphics???
     
  6. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    "There were many stories of what Bail Organa and Queen Breha were doing in the last moments of Alderaan, one particular legend has them enjoying one last moment of peace while another has Bail Organa participating in one last act of defiance at the local Rebel base...." - New Republic historians, or something. Probably.

    Canon isn't going to drill down in the nit-picky levels of what specifically he was doing: the important part is just that he died on Alderaan.
     
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  7. Jid123Sheeve

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    I'm just happy Bail and Breha have at least been getting more in Canon...and I hope for more to come too as we expand the Dark Times era.
     
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  8. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Force Ghost star 4

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    Maybe the Bad Batch will travel to Alderaan and we get to see Bail and Breha and baby Leia :)
     
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  9. Biel Ductavis

    Biel Ductavis Jedi Master star 4

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    But it isn't just about what Bail and Breha did during their last moments. It also has some technical implications about the way the superlaser destroyed Alderaan.

    In the book it seemed that most of the people on the planet died because of tectonic and seismic activities while the game (I've only seen the video on Youtube by the way) made it seem they were directly vaporized.
     
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  10. Biel Ductavis

    Biel Ductavis Jedi Master star 4

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    DP
     
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  11. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I kinda wish they changed his death to kill him again anyway.
     
  12. FiveFireRings

    FiveFireRings Jedi Master star 4

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    I mean, since the first piece of canon ever, everyone on Alderaan died like way super instantaneously.
     
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  13. Biel Ductavis

    Biel Ductavis Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, but the seismic destruction in the book would better explain the disturbance in the force than the vaporization, as the inhabitants of Alderaan had a few moments more to register what happened.

    But all in all both versions were very quick.
     
  14. FiveFireRings

    FiveFireRings Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, never thought about that! I guess I take it as that while their consciousness experiences almost nothing, their echo in the Force kind of has a big moment of shock and terror about being ripped out of life before being gone-gone.
     
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  15. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    I prefer to think that the Kybersuperlaserblast ripped the bodies to atoms so fast, the soul had no time to detach from it and it basically was like forced Forceghosting but faster body vanishing leaving hurt and wounded souls in place to haunt the Graveyard forever!

    But with new canon having Alderaanians loot the Death Star debris for a new spacestation home insystem... I wait till an Alderaanian installs a new superlaser.
     
  16. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Force Ghost star 4

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    That irked me in Aftermath: Life Debt. Then again, it's not like it was taken up by other authors, like everything else done by Chuck Wendig really. Heck, Mandalorian changed the events of Cobb Vanth and Mos Pelgo.
     
  17. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    What's irksome about it?

    A fair few of Wendig's ideas have been picked up in Last Shot, Victory's Price, FFG, and elsewhere. Mando didn't change events, just a few minor details.
     
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  18. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Force Ghost star 4

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    Using parts of a vaporised superweapon to build a space station in the remnants of Alderaan. Supposedly. No other writer has picked up on it since. What exactly happened with the Alderaanians after ROTJ is frustrating not to know about.
     
  19. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So...irksome because it's not been followed up on, or that the idea itself is bad?
     
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  20. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Force Ghost star 4

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    Both.
     
  21. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Any particular reason why it's bad?
     
  22. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Force Ghost star 4

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    Well...might have to do with the lack of any information on where the Alderaanians were hiding. What their plans were. And why in orbit of the Alderaan remnants. Why not Delaya or a major off-system Alderaanian colony? And why use Death Star pieces? And what the hell is their relationship with the New Republic anyway? What was Leia really up to? According to one of the Aftermath novels (can't recall which one) they'd yet to appoint a formal representative prior to Jakku?! It's a mess.
     
  23. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The story of the Alderaanian survivors was already given in the Princess Leia comic. The Interlude in Life Debt itself has the Alderaanians debating exactly that; whether they should be rebuilding in the system or go elsewhere. Surely the poetry of using pieces of the battle station that destroyed Alderaan to build a new home is clear? And yes, they don't have a senator in Life Debt, because they've not got a permanent homeworld yet. I don't see how any of it's messy.
     
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  24. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Force Ghost star 4

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    Then what the heck is Leia's job in the New Republic until they apparently get their act together? Alderaan was one of multiple planets in the Alderaan sector, so was she representing the entire sector at the time or not?
     
  25. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The entire sector, sure, and she's the one who arranges for the wreckage to be used by the Flotilla. But it doesn't mean the Flotilla itself has an actual representative, since it's not settled; Leia being senator of the sector doesn't make her senator of a transient fleet.

    Bearing in mind, Orliss criticizes Leia as part of a "what's she ever done for us?" argument, and is corrected in the next paragraph. So Orliss saying they've got no representation isn't correct in-universe.
     
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