Trolling vs. Thread Derailment

no, it's because anything expressed right of centre is met with threads like this one....or so it appears.



And I don't even know who this mysterious JCer even is. All I know is that if he/she was as big of a nuisance as people are saying he/she is and the biggest troll since that other bothersome JCer (seems to be one a month) then he/she would already be banned right? reasonable assumption.

Edit: then again, the forum is admittedly not my regular jaunt. So have no horse in this race. I just wanted to elaborate that there are some that think it is an echo chamber, for whatever reason that might be, I guess that would depend on that individual poster.

 

Not true though. The last person to get a thread like this wasn’t even right wing - they are just annoying.

I think the perception of an echo chamber has more to do with the fact that everyone in the JCC is rather friendly and familiar with each other, so disagreements generally don’t get heated, or they are steered away from if they would be too contentious.

 

and again...

some people think it is. I don't know what to tell ya. I could tell them their definition is wrong from a regular of those threads if you want.

this may be so, but again that doesn't change tthe fact that a few stay way clear of certain threads and that forum as a whole based on experiences that their opinions wouldn't be 'welcome'

Anyway didn't mean to derail this thread. I understand this thread is meant for other things.

So, to keep on topic:

Agree with what others have said, if the person in question is a troll just ban him/her from certain threads etc
seems the easiest solution.

 

Sure sounds like you wanna call the JCC an echo chamber without actually saying it.

 

Edit: and I just said I didn't want to derail this thread

 

I don’t care who thinks the JCC is an echo chamber. I don’t care if they choose to stay away. Staying away is what keeps the population as it is, though.

 

I get what you are saying. And honestly, that was my feeling as well. But it seems that’s not a viable solution. And, if it weren’t also happening in multiple threads, then we could simply ignore it.

I also want to take the specific threads out of it. This could be any type of topic- sports, general discussion, movies, tv, etc.

The question I posed is where the line between borderline trolling that is not actionable and repeated, intentional thread derailment that is actionable happens?

Some, like Knightwriter are arguing that there is precedent and that we have hit that line.

All I would argue is that the ignore feature seems to be failing those using it and those of us now just trying to not engage now seeing that this is also not a solution. As has also been shared, the behavior in these threads has actively turned users off to posting in them so we know that discussion and activity are being impacted by the behavior of one user.

That would therefore suggest corrective action from a moderator may be the next logical step. And since moderators have already given several warnings and this behavior has continued, it would suggest that the next step might be barring the user from the threads in question.

 

I'm not sure if you believe that, hope you don't, but on the rare occasions when I stick my nose in a political thread, that's the impression I get: that both sides are making baseless assumptions about the other, and that everyone on the other side is all the same. I know better, I've got friends all over the political spectrum and I see them disagree regularly. I admit, sometimes it pleases me to see internal conflict among whichever side is annoying me at the moment.

Personally, I find enough heartburn in RL that I don't feel inclined to look for more by debating politics in here. This is where I come to get away from all that.

 

Even though I don’t participate that much in senate threads anymore. If you think they are a troll the only way to get rid of them is to ignore them. Not with the actual ignore feature but just by not responding to whatever they are saying. Even though I disagree with pretty much everything they have said I don’t know if they are a troll. Unless things have gotten significantly worse since I posted in senate. I do think he genuinely believes what he posts.

 

Automatic fail.

 

I totally agree @anakinfansince1983 Basically the entire spectrum of what is considered left is represented on the forum from slightly left of center to communist. That isn’t an echo chamber an echo chamber would be say a forum dedicated to marijuana legalization and everyone there agreeing that marijuana should be legal. I know that’s not the best example but you get my point. Plus I know that we have a few people in the Senate threads who are on the right side of the spectrum and have been here for years and haven’t had a problem. Sure there are some things that most of us will more or less agree on but we usually stick to things that we don’t agree on when discussing as agreement is a dead end when talking in a thread such as the Senate.

 

I personally think some of you are too caught up on the definition of the words 'echo chamber' to the point of being pedantic. Now I understand that this is probably a politics thread etiquette thing, but it is missing the point somewhat of intent. The point is views of a certain political spectrum don't seem to be viewed too highly. It's alright saying 'oh there is different spectrums of left we are all on, thus not an 'echo chamber' in its truest sense of the term', fine. Point conceded. My point is (since I need to be blunt it seems) is that people I know with RIGHT leaning views don't bother to even look in political threads anymore, let alone post. And I am not even right leaning myself, politically speaking. I just don't like people being chased off by the mob.

So, TPTB that are posting about it can either continue to be defensive and tell the thicko's to read up on definitions OR they can go 'hmm, maybe it is a problem we could address' again, ALL up to you, I don't run the show.

 

I know what people I trust tell me about it. And have stopped posting there,

lol, good one.


So again fine Chorus has spoken for ya all

congrats.

And this is why the JCC will never change.

Peace out.

 

Oh no.

 

do you not want it to?

Genuine question.

 

perhaps JCC should have it's own comms sub-forum then? since all of the whinging comes from the place anyway...

showing your true colours here Myke I gotta say, not a good look.

edit: but if you don't want me to post in this thread, fine this will be my last post.

It would be just easier if y'all make a list of people you don't like and for who to not post...

 

@Point Given I do not know the specifics about a certain poster no. Or what he has said. So on the SPECIFICS of what this thread is about, no.
Do I know people that lurk and sometimes post there? yes. Do they tell me what frustrates and bemuses them in certain threads? again, yes. Have I read politics threads in the recent past? again, yes.

I came in to challenge the view that it is not an echo chamber. Which continued being discussed after I said I didn't mean to derail, had the matter not contiinued neither would I myself had responded in the last hour.