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Some of the Visions episodes take place in the SWTOR era or New Sith Wars era

 

Leia Organa's sparring partner is Motee (albiet with her hair dyed red to aid in being undercover following Amidala's death).

• Motee was aware of the relationship between Padme and Anakin, and was thus presumably aware of the pregnancy as well.
• Motee was still Padme's attendant as of the time of her death.
• Her subsequent whereabouts are not currently known.

So basically something like this; after the temple massacre Amidala sent Motee off with Bail to help with the search for more Jedi survivors and Elle off to Naboo to keep an eye on her family. She was thus present (offscreen) at the time Padme died and became aware of the successful birth of Leia (but not Luke, who she was not informed about to keep his identity safe), who she helped watch over and train on Alderaan.

@Sinrebirth I have to admit, I really to admire your persistence.

I'd say "eventually you'll reach the point were you'll be unable to make things fit and will have to recognize the futility of your cause," but you've already reached the point were your re-arranging timelines, reviving people from the dead and presenting Ben Solo as a fourth Solo child who nobody ever mentions, so I'd say you've clearly passed that point

The *Mad* King, maybe

That could work as well, but IMO the whole...

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"Sith Rebellion" and "feudal Jedi Empire"

...thing just smacks of the New Sith Wars.

Easily

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• The Duel/Ronin - the time period of the final Sith-Jedi War prior to 1032 BBY, when the Old Republic had all but fallen and the Jedi went around ruling as lords (I know the troopers in it look like FO troopers, but Republic troopers in TOR look like Clone Troopers so I don't really think that's a big issue)
• The Village Chief, Lop and Ocho, T0-B1, The Ninth Jedi and Tatooine Rhapsody - Imperial Era
• The Twins - New Republic Era (IIRC this is even said in the episode)
  • Am and Karre were created via Palpatine's experiments (Am says at one point "We are twins born from the dark side of the Force. We were made to bring back order with this power that transcends even death itself.") - specifically they are clones of Luke grown from his hand. Them being cloned as twins is an attempt to create a dyad.

• The Elder - the early Republic Era post-Ruusan.
  • Crosser's explorations are precursors to the Age of (Re?)discovery that occurred during the High Republic Era.
• Akakiri - I dunno, but sometime after 4 BBY because there's a B-wing.

• Maybe Misa is related to Cerise Sindian somehow? (Her mother or daughter? Maybe?) - her English VO is Jamie Chung, and according to Claudia Gray when she wrote Bloodlines she had Chung in mind as Sindian.

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But I've only watched through them all once, though, so maybe this timeline doesn't work as well as I feel it does.

I used to have that in my headcanon, but ultimately I decided it worked better* to assume the Human presence in the GFFA was the result of gene seeding by the Celestials (aka, the Ancient Humanoids/Arretans from Star Trek) and that Humankind their evolved separately (on Notron/Coruscant) from Earth Humans in the Milky Way.

*Mainly because the timeline of THX doesn't really work with Star Trek.

 

I like your Motee and Elle ideas!

As for Alien Exodus, Celestial seeding I do not prefer. And why would THX have to jive with Star Trek at all? It doesn't! If anything it better fit in with classic old school Battlestar Galactica Milky Way (not the terrible remake crap)

For me Alien Exodus is the most logical for several reasons:

Humanity in the GFFA thrived in two places more than others, the Core and the Rim around Tion. Why? What connects the two aside a later hyperlane? Well, Corellia does. Corellian system was built by the Celestials moving planets and species from the later Maw Cluster to the core to save them before collapsing the cluster to trap Abeloth.
So it makes sense that humanity reached the core via Corellia and previously from there settled the Tion and clashed with the Varlians aka later Hutts before being moved coreward. That also ties into all future conflicts as Rim vs Core is an old debate regarding human origin and how the galaxy was settled. Both claim to have been the origin, and from a certain point of view, both are true as Humans were first in the Rim, but their home got moved to the Core, so the origin is now in the Core de facto while it was not always, which scientists inuniverse apparently do not account for.
Coruscants Zhell - Taung conflict gets a new twist as the Zhell/Humans never were indigenous after all to Coruscant as they claimed or have forgotten about! Even without timetravel and the Lucasverse parts, Alien Exodus is the most logical origin and Corellia is Notron more than Coruscant. (Well Supernatural Encounters offers another alternative though)

One could even spin some other SW tales, be it THE STAR WARS, other early Lucas scripts and ideas or Visions stuff in an unprecedented era between Alien Exodus origin and 35000BBY where we have most of official history start with the Rakata etc.

But, to keep with your idea of Celestials seeding, what are Celestials to you? Ascended humanoids? Or like in the ALIEN universe good or bad makers of humanity and aliens? I entertain the idea of Celestials being literally... celestial bodies, living planets like Sekot that might or might not interact with the living on them via Force apparitions that look like their inhabitants...as the Mortis Ones were said to be able to and as despite chosing another flesh form different from that of his guests, Bendu did when not in his stormcloud form.

 

Because my headcanon has Star Trek and Star Wars (and Indiana Jones, Quatermass and E-T) taking place in the same universe (as part of a larger multiverse that also includes Doctor Who)

I've never been silent about this, so I'm not sure how you could have missed it

The only way I could fit Alien Exodus into the headcanon is to assume THX occurred in an alternate timeline, and that the temporal displacement that took the refugees from the Milky Way to the SW galaxy (aka Triangulum) also transported them across realities. I mean, that would work, and to be fair that's what I originally did, but it has far more moving pieces and, IMO, doesn't fit as well with Trek lore as the whole Celestials/Ancient Humanoids thing does.

In my headcanon the Celestials - aka the Architects or the Arretans - are/were an ancient race of Force-sensitive proto-Humanoids from the planet Arret in the Milky Way (so their these guys, who I'm assuming are the same as these guys). They were contemporaries of the Organians and the Shabogan and flourished some 4.5 billion years BC (circa 3,999,999,432 BBY) and were talented stellar engineers (I imagine they created the Maw and the Corellian sector, just like in Legends) who taught lesser races like the Tkon the art and had a presence across the galaxies of the local group, during which time they were responsible for planting the seeds of life in their form on several planets in both galaxies, resulting in the eventual evolution of most forms of Humanoid life (including at least two different versions of Humanity on Notron/Coruscant and Earth, though under different circumstances). Their civilization collapsed circa 500,000 BC (roughly 499,541 BBY) due to hubris and a devastating civil war, with only a few members (the Mortis Gods - aka the Guardians of Time - and Sargon, Thalassa and Henoch, surviving by "ascending" and merging with the Force - though the latter three were unable to properly complete the process).

 

Just wondering... does anyone have any headcanons that connects Star Wars to the Alien and Predator franchise? Honestly, I feel like a (presumably non-canon) crossover between Star Wars and those franchises is a bit overdue.

 

We already got one: X-Wing Rogue Squadron: The Phantom Affair.

 

Headcanon: in the parallel universe where Galen Marek kills Darth Vader and becomes "Lord Starkiller", the events on Kamino, with the Force-Sensitive cloning also happens six months after the fight on the Death Star, but in this world, it is Palpatine who initiates the project to obtain a suitable replacement for Starkiller, now that his potential has been cut off, and the subject of the cloning is none other than Anakin Skywalker!

 

I did that once with Doctor Who but more as a joke

Since Star Wars takes place A long time ago i just said that the Star Wars galaxy events happened in the ancient past of 21st century Earth Timeline and that George Lucas was a companion of the Doctor for a time and wanted to tell the story of Star Wars.

 

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The Visions short "The Twins" is about an early attempt by Palpatine to artificially create a dyad and use their power to conquer death like Darth Plagueis. He fails, but they go on to use their dyad power to create the superweapon.

 

My headcanon is that in the Doctor's reality (or rather, the reality were 90 percent of Doctor Who takes place) Star Wars as a fictional series of films exists because one of the Doctor's accidentally left his English edition copy of the Journal of the Whills on a bus station, where George Lucas stumbled upon it.

It was probably the Fourth Doctor; he seems like he would be sleeping at bus stations and not paying attention to were he put his ****.

In my headcanon for that "alternate timeline" Jerec becomes Palpatine's new apprentice as "Darth Oculus"; he seems the most likely candidate for Sith Lord in Vader's absence (he strikes me as more malleable then Kadann and Cronal, and more powerful then otherwise loyal disciples like Sedriss, Nist, Roganda and Droga)

 

Edit - double post, sorry.

 

BTW last night that was supposed to be "on a bus station bench"

They are clones of Luke grown from his hand and that's the hill I'm going to die on!

 

You know, I gotta say with the shoulder-length hair late-70s David Prowse would actually make a pretty convincing forty-something year-old Anakin/unburned Vader.

Not a perfect likness, but still pretty uncanny since at the time they made ANH they obviously didn't envision young Anakin as being a broad-shouldered, strong-jawed man with shoulder-length brown hair (or intended the guy in the Vader suit to *be* Anakin).

Just curious, but how do you make that work with...

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The RA-7 and R-series droids in The Duel? I mean, chances are they'll also be in the book, right?.

Granted, I'm probably stretching things myself by assuming those classes of droid might have been active during the last decades of the New Sith Wars, but I think it's defiantly safe to say they didn't exist during the Hundred-Year Darkness.

 

You can do that... or accept Timetravel in SW is real!

"Star Wars: Days of Future's past"... is inevitable!



Also, your assumptions to force The Duel into the Hundred Year Darkness make it sound like just another Pius Dea era... did they really learn nothing from the last 5000 years before the Hundred Year Darkness? Ok, it kinda is like Pius Dea to the Hundred Year Darkness is what the Sith Wars are to the Movie era... still, curious about the Paralells.

Also, the more evil you make the Jedi Lords and republican Empire they serve, the less different do these Dark Jedi Exiles seem that come to lord over the Sith species.

And if we have too many instances of Jedi Lords... Pius Dea, Hundred Year Darkness, New Sith Wars... it gets less of a unique specialty of an era and more a running theme with a Jedi Covenant existing not just in KOTOR but all the time, sometimes more or less present and the Jedi being truly darker but hiding it well, like the catholic Church.

But those Babysnatchers had it coming.. time the true heroes get their due and the Sith will be revealed as the ones that oppose that "open secret" of the Jedi for what they truly are, hiding behind golden ages and high republics.

 

Thx for reminding me of some ToR additions. Those are hard to track or keep in memory without guidebooks that referenced them or a proper timeline with all the TOR additions to the past ever since Nathan Butler stopped his magnificient work.

ToR wikis sadly are too badly kept or too spread between countless pages to get a full picture of those lore pieces. Wish we had proper compilations of those. Torista's pdf with all ingame texts and lore/history pieces helps, but are ToR's history snippets well connected and embedded in the past or not placed as securely dated and interconnected as we would want them to be?

I still got some headaches from making sense of ToR's Tython past vs. Dawn of the Jedi as well as other likewise discussions as recently seen on discord f.e. like the inconsistent history of lightsabers.

So, do you have a chronology or list of the post-Corbos timeline or of ToR additions to the pre-TOR past in general all over?

 

I just reconcile the Tulak Hord stuff it by assuming Hord was one of the Exiles, and that the conflicts he's referred to as having with the Jedi occurred during the Hundred-Year Darkness, rather then after, with history just conflating "he led Sith forces" with "he led Dark Jedi forces" (by extension this would make Kallig an exile too). That he seems to have been Pall's direct successor as Dark Lord kinda backs the idea up.

Sigil could work as a Dark Jedi training center during the Hundred-Year Darkness, so Morrhage could work as one of the Exiles as well (so his master would have technically been a Dark Jedi, not a Sith, with history just messing things up again)

The conflict on Voss that created Sel-Makor I defiantly date to the Hundred-Year Darkness, though; the Jedi Civil War and Great Sith War both seems too recent, and the Great Hyperspace War too brief.

Fair enough.

Myself I think it works better during the NSW era, given the whole "Sith Rebellion" leading to Jedi ruling "feudal empires" fitting with the setup for that era.

Fair, but what about - and just here me out here - what about both; time travelling clones? Eh?

No? Oh, okay...

We all saw Rebels, Cole

 

Oh, yeah, he is a good candidate, too, i wonder if Palpatine would have pitted him against Starkiller, too, however i think it was stated somewhere that Palpatine saw Jerec as a Sith but of a bygone era, more fitting in the Old Sith Empire than in the current Rule of Two (i find an interesting parallel with Maladi's statement about Nyna Calixte, of how she would have been a fine Sith if it was still the Rule of Two, now that i think about it... Does that imply Nyna/Morrigan was marginally Force Sensitive, too?), there's also the fact that Palpatine was aware Jerec was too ambitious for his own good, having him become a full-on Sith Lord, with all the knowledge and authority, could be dangerous for him, however, i think that at this point (TFU) Palpatine is looking for someone with potential greater than himself, and i don't think Jerec had so much more to grow beyond, despite his already impressive power, this is why i thought of Anakin.

But i completely agree that, if one had to chose between some of Palpatine's Dark followers to replace Vader, Jerec is the way to go.

"Darth Oculus"??
https://starwarsbloodlines.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Occlus

That's how the clone that fights Starkiller looks like!

 

He did? I must have missed that.

I mean, I'm not sure if that works with the timeline we have to work with unless we assume...
A) he was the apprentice of one of the Exiles.
Or
B) he studied at the academy, but was not a student (KOTOR and TOR both show people their who don't appear to be students doing things other then learning, including engaging in scholarly exploits and carrying out experiments)

I go with Andeddu as Ragnos's predecessor, driven out by the other Sith Lord in a coup organized by Ragnos and Simus (after which Ragnos and Simus had their fight and the former asserted himself as Dark Lord)

I imagine the Dark Lords of the first empire going...
Ajunta Pall (circa 6900 BBY - 6895 BBY)
Tulak Hord (6895 BBY - ???)
Ortan Cela (??? - ???)
God knows how many other people between Cela and Andeddu (among them Pharshol, as I'm pretty sure I remember him being called a Dark Lord in TOR).
Andeddu (??? - 5100 BBY)
Marka Ragnos (5100 BBY - 5000 BBY)
Naga Sadow (5000 BBY) (with Ludo disputing the title)

Palpatine's seems pretty disappointed by Starkiller after his injuries in the Dark Side ending, and more or less seems to regard him as useful as nothing more then a tool going forward (I like to imagine he revived the title Emperor's Wrath to assign to him and went on to give him the enforcer tasks previously given to Vader), so I don't think he'd bother making Jerec fight him at that point.

Jerec, I'm assuming, would probably just regarded be a placeholder Sith Lord (a la Dooku) until Palpatine finds someone younger and with better potential.

Lol, no; I was going off Jerec being a Miraluka and thus having no physical eyes and seeing using the Force (Occlus literally means "eye" in Latin).

I like to imagine it's how Emperor Vader ended up looking 19 years down the line from the Dark Side ending of the ROTS video game