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True, and from the very little interaction we see of them in the alternate Episode IV events, he is much more dismissive of Starkiller than he was with Vader (conversation is at 0:50 in the video):

Also, considering Starkiller is still around in IV there, i think that he either prevailed against the Anakin clone, the project was a failure (the Chosen One's blood might make him harder to clone than any other Jedi), or that Palpatine isn't as hasty with the project as Vader is in TFU II (because Vader is acting withou the Emperor's approval then, while Palpatine has all the resources at his disposal and doesn't have to keep any secrets from a higher up, the only one that needs to be kept in the dark is Starkiller, which isn't too hard to do if his handling of Vader in most media serves as example).

Either way i think it is reasonable that Starkilller would prevail against the Anakin clone if that ever happened, because of the aformentioned instability, and the fact that he was equal to a much more developed Darth Vader.

This is actually a great idea! I wonder if that would arise some conflict with Mara, the Emperor's Hand, in a similar vein to what she had vs Vader (but more).

It also makes me wonder if, in light of Starkiller's failure, Mara would have gotten real Sith Lord training as another candidate apart from Jerec, given Mara had still a lot of room to develop at that time, meanwhile Jerec was getting old.

Which ties to what you said about him being a placeholder ala Dooku, i think that fits, he would have been the "Dooku" for Mara or Luke's "Anakin" in this situation.

Hhahahaha, yeah i know, i just thought it was a funny coincidence, this is Darth Revan and Darth Rivan all over again!

Oh, yeah, that also fits, though i think 19 after Episode III Anakin would suffer a lot of Dark Side corruption, we even see some of it in the movie by the end (or at least i believe it is so):

So he might not look as "fresh" as Prowse in that picture if it was so many years after what he did in Episode III.

We also know killing your master increases your Dark Side concentration accoring to Darth Plagueis with the "monster" surfacing from within.

Someone make a photoshop of young David Prowse with Red Sith eyes and pale skin!

 

Here's another headcanon I've had for a while, though it isn't originally mine. The credit for this goes to Catherine Taber...



Though not official, I like to imagine that Numa is a descendant of Vette and Mission.

 

The Dreadmasters Phobis devices... might they have been researched or have inspired the later Darth Phobos? There is nothing to officially connect them but I kinda like the possibility.

As for Revanites, while Revanites are mostly a Sith subculture, I think a similiar one existed within the Jedi but less organised than their Sith counterpart and also disconnected from the Sith one. But beyond TOR MMO, that rather dormant Jedi subculture may have emerged more prominent, in part instigated by surviving Sith Revanites infiltrating the Jedi Order. Their goal was no sudden change or manipulation but the long slow road to victory and subtle steer in ways that take decades if not centuries.
To the point that maybe Darth Rivan was once a Jedi that took the name Rivan due to Revanite Jedi texts.
Also that lineage may or may not in part be responsible for the Knights of Ren that started as a Jedi sect before becoming dark side punks.


Beyond TOR, did the Unknown Regions remain open for exploration and settling until the NSW lost them to chaos again? Or did the UR be closed off at the end of TOR potentially already again to lock in/out more dangers that would be unleashed? Did the Chiss take a major part in this or were they cut off and almost died out in the wider GFFA loosing contact to the Ascendancy?

Ever since Revan's gang explored Lehon, I feel like Jedha became way of a jump off point into the UR and saw heavy expansion in that direction. Ilum remained as always an insular Jedi outpost not connected to the surrounding UR by any hyperlanes aside the one route to the Republic. And after the entire Zakuul affair and many UR worlds being discovered and fought at during TOR, I wonder if they stayed accessible during the post war time till NSW or were lost already before. Like, the last Sith of TOR unleashing the terrors of the UR to the point Jedi and Republic no longer can hold them back and consider to just lock the area out again by collapsing suns and blocking hyperlanes, sacrificing the colonies and outposts established in previous centuries behind enemy lines.
That of course would have a huge backlash from companies and people invested in that exploration and expansion and needed countermeasures to appease them with prices elsewhere.

 

Furthering my idea that the Exegol cults are a "merger" of multiple ancient Sith cult; the appearance of Malak, Revan, Nihilus and Malgus on a concept art mural...


Also, Haazen is totally Darth Sion, right? I'm not the only one whose almost 100 percent convinced of this, right? True, Haazen himself suggest Lucian take the title, but Lucian rejects this future at the end of the comic* and Sion and Haazan are nearly identical physical (with the main difference being that Sion has a white eye, not a red one, no hair and is more severely injured - but all of that could be easily explained by Haazen suffer further grievous injuries, having his hair burned off and loosing his prosthetic eye during the destruction of the Draay Estate)

*not to mention Lucian was an infant during the Great Sith War, during which Sion is supposed to have fought for the Sith (conversely Haazan *did* participate in the war, and while he was openly on the side of the Republic, he turned spy for Exar Kun)

Maybe, but Pall only ruled over the post-exile Sith for five years* (he died in 6895 BBY), and I always took the dilogue in TOR to indicate that Kallig and Tulak's struggle for power was over who would succeed to the position of Dark Lord; if Kallig was at the academy, I'd think it would make more sense for it to be briefly as someone who was already an apprentice to someone else when the Exiles arrived on Korriban (heck, he could have been Horde's apprentice - after all Kallig says he considered the former a friend)

Personally I don't like the idea of any Sith other then Dreypa leaving the Caldara in Force prior to the Great Hyperspace War, and I prefer to imagine that most contact with the empire was in reverse; fallen Jedi like Nadd, Kla and Saes Rrogon, aware of nebulous rumors of a empire of Dark Jedi venturing into the unknown to find a "promised land."

*not really surprising, since it's indicated he was the leader of the Dark Jedi from the start, so by the time he arrived on Korriban he'd upwards of 100+ years old.

That's true; I'd go with him being Cela's direct successor (the only reason I even chose to headcanon Cela as a Dark Lord at all is that he betrayed Hord when Horde held the title, and masters being overthrown and supplanted by their apprentices is a reoccurring theme with the Sith). Since I imagine Cela wasn't a very effective or capable ruler (based on how Khem talks about him in TOR) he probably didn't rule very long before being himself overthrown, so I think the timeline definantly works with Parshol being an Exile as well as being the forth reigning Dark Lord.

Like a theorized in this thread a while back on page 108, I just imagine that the Daragon trail wasn't discovered by the Daragon twins, but rather rediscovered after having been used by the Sith before being abandoned due to stellar instability at Primus Goluud (it doesn't actually go from Cinnagar to Korriban, but actually starts at Odik and runs past Cinnagar). Hence why their is evidence of an ancient Sith presence outside the Outer Rim and how Andeddu ended up in the Deep Core.

And as space is big (and hyperdrives presumably less advanced), so I don't really think them not running into the Republic, even while playing around in their "backyard" is even that unlikely - especially when you consider how difficult to navigate the Deep Core is.

I forgot about Dakhan - though arguably he wasn't really a legitimate Dark Lord as, unbeknownst to him, Sadow was still alive and well.

Was Ieldis ever actually referred to as Dark Lord? I don't remember.

I don't think it likely that Palpatine would turn Mara into a Sith apprentice unless he was very, very desperate; he seems to have groomed Mara in a way where she was totally loyal to him, lacking in ambition to do anything other then serve him and had very little (if any) Sith ideology, because he wanted an unquestioning assassin/spy who would mindlessly and effectively do his bidding - re-training/re-indoctrinating her into the Sith way would take a lot of time and would remove a very useful tool; Jerec IMO is the best option after Vader, Luke and an unwounded Starkiller for a new apprentice, but just about anyone else other then Mara would be a better choice then her just because most of them (even the ones who, like Mara, have a strong loyalty to Palpatine) already have exposure to the Sith ways.

I always understood that what TOR considered the Unknown Regions was actually larger then what was considered the UR at the time of the films (IIRC the Sith are stated to have regrouped in the Unknown Regions, but Dromund Kaas is considered to be in the Outer Rim during later eras)

The Chiss in canon are stated to have participated in the "Sith Wars" between the Old Republic and the Sith (an obvious reference to TOR) before eventually retreating from the galaxy, so that's presumably what happened with them in Legends as well.

Even though Ostrander made it clear that he didn't intend it to be the case, I like to imagine Astraal and Shade are descendants of either Mission or Griff.

But Vette and Numa I defiantly imagine being descended from Mission.

Interestingly Tabor's also done both Padme and Leia (though I don't think it was intentional).

 

Though if Numa is a descendant of Vette, a part of me wonders if there is any chance that Numa could also possibly be the descendant of a male Sith Warrior...

 

@CosmoHender I don't see why not; Shado was Force-sensitive, so if we go with him and Astraal being descended from Mission (rather then Griff) then the Force-sensitivity, I would assume, had to come from somewhere.

 

In canon the Sith Empire never got to the level of TOR where it was essentially a Galactic Empire 1.0 with Moffs, a council and Emperor but instead the Sith Empire was just the unified Sith Factions into one mega fleet that conquered most of the galaxy...Before eventually being defeated once and for all.

 

@K2771991 I also honestly just liked the idea of giving my Sith Warrior a legacy and a lineage that could continue even after he is gone. Said lineage would no longer be "pure" but I don't think my Sith Warrior would care.

 

Honestly while a part of me really hopes the KOTOR remake doesn't conflict with KOTOR II and TOR so I can keep them in my headcanon, a part of me is really interested to see what kind of new twists they'll give on the Old Republic-era lore.

I had the same mindset when I created my recent Sith Inquisitor; as I said a few pages back I gave him the surname Malraux with the intent that he was an ancestor of the Malreaux viscounts and Whie Malreaux; it was sort of my attempt to tie the game to the films while also creating a parallel to my Jedi Consular, since she's intended to be a member of House Calipsa with a Pelagian mother (the idea is that the Malreaux's descend from my Inquisitor, who is descended from House Nidantha via the union of Kallig and the last heiress of the family). I also like to imagine my scoundrel and consular have descendent(s) running around somewhere by the time of the films as well.

While I'm on this, a bit of Vjun headcanon that I just came up with; Bast Castle is actually Château Malreaux, and was originally constructed as Darth Nox's private stronghold after he ascended to the Dark Council; it was built over a Dark Side Nexus, which in Legends was what the Disciples were seeking to drain energy from.

 

My personal feeling towards this is that Mara is/was a prototype of Sidious recreating Vitiate's Children of the Emperor project. Totally loyal agents who could eventually be reprogrammed or directly controlled by the Emperor's will. An extension of Sidious himself, potentially. Mara was never so far along, but if Sidious had access to the ancient sith ways then that would have been her fate.

 

Well, a bit late on my part, but here is my take on hypothetical timeline placements for Star Wars visions shorts:

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I know creator statements have already placed Ronin in an au timeline, and the Ninth Jedi after Rise of Skywalker...but just for fun, I will ignore those and come up with my own placements.

For the Ronin, all the technology seems to be ot or st, and there being a Tusken Raider village guard is interesting given the historically bad relations between Tuskens and, well, everyone else, only improving after Mos Pelgo made peace with a local group. As such, I think of it as a post RoS story, with the Sith here being small time darksiders in the Sith Eternal who survived the Battle of Exogal and spread out afterwords, possibly clashing with Rey's revived jedi order.

The Ninth Jedi, on the other hand, I could see fitting really well in the past in at least two places.

My first thought was that it was during the galactic dark age era of the New Sith Wars, with the loss of lightsaber tech, at least outside of the fortress/rump republic,* and possibly the sith lords (but not their lesser acolytes), being part of the general technological decline of the era. Or possibly just the personal whim of whatever warlord controls this strech of space. The Margrave is a jedi lord who refused to retreat to the core, or at least the descendant of ones, and the other masterless jedi are the former students or descendants of knight errants like Kerra Holt who tried to do good behind enemy lines.

*Though considering in canon the sith took Coruscant which they failed to do in legends, perhaps the sith war and dark age went even worse and scattered, lightsaberless jedi errants and lords like we see in this short are all that is left, the sith civil war so bad they can no longer manufacture lightsabers themselves.

But I had another thought - it is after the Dark Wars and Kotor 2. With the exile off to find Revan, the council dead, and the Sith triumverate decimated and leaderless, knowledge of lightsaber construction and other jedi arts are lost - notably, the sith acolytes we see in the Nineth Jedi in this version originated from the Sith Assassins of Kotor 2, who tended to use force pikes instead of lightsabers, though obviously they lost the ability to drain the force as well, though they retained their predecessors' approach of striking from the shadows with subterfuge and assassination.
Given that the galaxy is described as war torn, it is likely that the Republic had at least a partial collapse - the jedi hunters banning the creation of lightsabers reflecting a Kreia like view adopted by many of the new governments that blamed jedi and sith equally for the jedi civil war and dark wars, and banned anything associated with the jedi, with the remaining sith having heavily infiltrated and influenced these jedi hunting groups.

For the other shorts, I agree with the general consensus of their placement.

And some other visions related headcanons:

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The engraving on Lop's lightsaber is actually a holographic overlay, with projectors built into the handguard. Since both the lightsaber beam and holograms are light, they blend well and look like an engraved sword.

Old jedi used to do such things, replicating the jedi runes seen on the rock in the Mandalorian or the ancient sword from swtor, but it eventually fell out of fashion for being considered too flashy, even gaudy.

Valco from the Village Bride is a former Antarian Ranger

The various Japanese themed planets we saw in the shorts had common cultural heritage as colonies of a single world, or colonies of those colonies. Not sure which world it is yet however....

Lepi males tend to have bright, colorful fur while females have duller, more camoflagued colors. Yes, an oddly birdlike approach for a mammalian species, but best not to say that in front of them

In contradiction to my timeline headcanon above - the main character from Ronin is the same main character from Akakiri. The Sith defeat and Masago's downfall left him free and realizing fate was not pre-ordained after all - but feeling guilty over his fall, he does not consider himself to be worthy to be a jedi and just focuses on being a sith hunting sith.

To steal a couple of others I saw elsewhere -
Boba Fett is a big fan of Star Waver:

The inquisitor from TO-B1 is the same species are Carib Diss (saw that on a reddit post I can't seem to find again)

And finally some non-vision headcanons:

That humans, and some other species, can often be found on various worlds unknown to the republic was chalked up to ancient stl sleeperships - and it is true for some of them, honestly not near enough time has passed for any sleepership from Coruscant to have reached some of these distant worlds. The truth is, the world between worlds was used to colonize various planets throughout the galaxy, and possibly even in other galaxies, long before space flight was invented. However, since even the jedi had long since lost knowledge of the WbW, no one knows this is the case and just goes with the sleepership idea and scratch their head about the math.

Relatedly, Kwa infinity gates use the world between worlds to function, essentially being artificial entry and exit points for it rather than relying on the rare, hard to find, and somewhat unreliable natural entry and exit points.

Zakuul is full member world of the republic, and won't shut up about that time they almost took over the galaxy.

 

@K2771991 On this topic, I should mention that I have not just thought about a male Sith Warrior's possible descendants... but also his potential ancestors. In the game he is meant to be the scion of a distinguished Sith bloodline, which is why his overseer favors him over someone like his rival Vemrin. For his hypothetical ancestor, I ended up liking the idea of him being descended from the Sith king Adas who united the nations of Korriban and solidified himself as the sole leader of his people before driving off the Rakata while perishing in the process. The idea came to me when the armor that I favored for my Sith Warrior ended up reminding me of Adas' armor.


Plus there is still a lot that we actually don't know about Adas, including the specifics of how he died.

 

The Visions episode Akakiri takes place during the empire year in my headcanon.

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Tsubaki is a jedi knight who survived Order 66. Masago is a Sith acolyte groomed by Palpatine for the throne. Palpatine did that alot in Legends. Tsubaki is just one of the many Jedi who fell to the dark side during the empire region.

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One of my longstanding dreams that may never come true is that the Graf kids and the Arranda kids will work together one day now that both are canon in IDW comics. The Graf kids are older, adults even by the time the Arrandas are messing around but their stories do match so well that it would be fun to have them share an adventure or two.
And if I could be especially bold, I'd also add Talisibeth Enwandung Esterhazy aka Scout too, though she is the oldest of the lot by that time.

If they need a new locale to explore after Vader's Castle has run its course... I'd say show us more of the deep interior of the burried temple below the Dagobah tree cave temple. More of its manmade structure than the natural cave it was built into.

Adult Scout visiting Yoda again after decades should be fun. And them distracted or busy elsewhere on Dagobah allows Graf and Arrandas to sneak into the cave temple, which may be fun given the Grafs studious nature and the Arrandas Force sensitivity. Maybe with flashbacks to Dagobahs distant past, temple construction, and other elements that may fit tied in here, be it Yoda dueling a Bpfassi dark Jedi or Inquisitor or else even.

And I pray that the Arranda kids in canon survived Kylos massacre, given in Legends they became Jedi at Luke's Academy later in life.

 

Rane Mahal and Calik are of the same species as Gruk (as Sanyassan)

Scout (who is described as having red hair in the text even though The Essential Readers Companion draws her as blonde) is Mara Jade's mother.

Re. Visions, I think I'm going to have to move around The Ninth Jedi; I think they say the Jedi have been gone for generations, right? That doesn't fit with the Imperial Era and can only really work at some point post-TROS.

Also three more Legends works for my headcanon list; Extinction, Mara Jade - By the Emperor's Hand (but only issues 1 - 3) and Mysteries of the Sith (some accompanying Mara Jade headcanon for this; Mara escaped the destruction of Luke's temple - due to not being present - and along with Kyle dedicated herself to hunting down Kylo and ending the threat he posed. At some point between 28 ABY and 34 ABY they ambushed him on Kavan, were Mara was slain and Kyle was presumed dead).

My headcanon for this is that the varius Sith factions united under Lord Damian in 1032 BBY when he seized power after his grandmother's death shortly after the Knight Errant series (which I include him my headcanon), and then took Coruscant and killed Chancellor Genarra, the High Council and most of the Senate. Lord Hoth then rallied the surviving Jedi from elsewhere in the galaxy and the remnants of the Republic military, which led to the Battle of Ruusan, and after the mutual destruction of Hoth and Damians army what few Jedi and Republic Military units survived liberated Coruscant from the Sith stragglers.

I've actually come up with a similar headcanon recently (thanks to playing a lot of TOR while watching a lot of Stargate), but related to the Gree and their hypergates; there is (or at least was) a hypergate buried somewhere on Coruscant from when the Gree had a presence their, and it's via that that Humans spread to certain planets across the galaxy (from which they in turn expanded outward from)

"My God, man. We've become a tourist attraction! See the great Eternal Alliance, open 9:00 to 5:00—Coruscant time..."

 

I mean, it could also be set after Legacy if we're gonna play the whole one canon game (or just put Visions in Legends instead of canon); their weren't that many Jedi left by the time Krayt was defeated, and maybe Darth Nihl took a page out of the Triumvirate's book and started killing the survivors from the shadows to the point where, within a generation or so, they were either extinct or at least all but wiped out (those Jedi hunters could easily be working for the One Sith)

It sorta fits with Storyteller, which I always took to be post-Legacy (and which I always felt neatly explained 3P0's absence in the comics)

 

Anakin feared Pau’uns and the Son of Mortis’s appearance reflected that.

 

That could also explain the Daughter's angelic appearance, since we know how much Anakin likes angels.

 

Are Pau’uns common enough throughout the galaxy that Anakin would have ever met one? Also...wouldn't explain why Obi-wan and Ahsoka (presumably) saw them the same way.

 

The Bylsma from Age of Resistance is the canon counterpart to the Bylsma from Invasion, just with a crappier and more stressful life.

Jona Grumby was taking part in a three-hour patrol when he got called up to fight in the Battle of Ogoth Tiir, and his injuries during the battle were because of incompetency on the part of his first officer, who to his dismay ended up following him to the Corporate Sector. Most of the pair's downtime while serving with the Picket Fleet was spent at a remote island retreat on one of the moons of Reltooine, where they hung out with a wealthy member of the Direx Board (and his wife), a holofilm star, an Imperial scientist an...a Marian.

Who cares?

This is the headcanon thread; we can just pretend Anakin used to get babysat by a scary, mean-spirit Pau'un and it left him severely traumatized

I guess there's a reason Palpatine chose a Pau'un to be the Grand Inquisitor, then?

 

Davin Felth is Soontir and Todr Fel's younger brother.

Many Corellian last names have alternate spellings based on translations from local dialects into others and then into Basic. "Suul" can become "Solo," "Wessiri" can become "Wexley," and "Fel" can become "Felth," depending on the Imperial recruitment officer tasked with transcribing family names.

Soontir later named one of his sons after his brother.

 

So, what your saying is Norra's middle name is Iella?

I like this; alternatively Davin could just have added the "th" to the end of his surname because he wanted to make it in the service independent of his brother (or it could be like what some people in-universe speculate happened to Han; that he told the recruitment officer his name was "Suul" and the guy misheard him and wrote "Solo" - who knows, maybe Drawb Munbrin was the guy who filled out both Han and Davin's enlistment forms and he just has hearing issues or something?)

 

Yes. I made a One Canon post detailing a combined life history of Norra/Iella, though it wasn’t in this thread.

If I can recall and summarize the details: Norra Iella Susser married Brentin Diric Wessiri (sometimes transcribed as Wexley.) They had Temmin while Iella was still with CorSec. Following the second death of the Emperor, Iella invented a secondary persona under her first name so that she could develop a piloting career separate from her previous work.

 

Isn't Norra a fair bit older then Iella, though? (I don't think the age of *either* is ever outright stated, but Norra's visibly much older in 4/5 ABY then Iella is around the same time).