Discussion Where does Star Wars go as an IP from here?

I suspect, and hope, that Filoni is cutting his teeth with TV… and at some point will step into helm a live action film, and maybe take more control of Star Wars across the board.

 

Yeah, I've been talking about that for a while now- if TV is doing SW well, and movies aren't so much- why not have the TV people make movies? It makes all the sense in the world. Why keep struggling with movies that don't do as well when they have other options?

Maybe wishful thinking, but it seems possible they are doing some sort of realignment like that with delaying the latest movie. It always seemed weird to start back after a long break with some off-brand movie about fighter pilots rather than to dig into what the next trilogy, or next series of movies will be. Hopefully we get some good results out of all this eventually.

 

I think we will see the next gen of SW filmmakers come out of the TV shows. KK and DFL are hopefully thinking this way.

 

All of the actions point to F&F and their Mandalorian team expanding to taking over all of live action SW with animated SW by Filoni supporting it. At least for the "canon" content - with Visions and the like with creative freedom separate. The projects - TV (Obi-Wan) or film (Rogue Squadron) have been delayed away from original ideas but to fit the F&F story.

DLFL haven't officially announced any sort of plan but that's how it looks like their handling SW.

TBD who gets with that program - but I'm sure that would lead to a lot of "creative differences".

 

The Throne Room was visually one of the better sequences. Kylo vs. Luke was terrible, IMO.

This. Chow, Famuyiwa, etc. These are the new directing stars.

 

I have trouble wrapping my head around all this talk about a 'long break' since the last SW film. Probably my perception is informed by the fact that I waited 3 years for ESB and another 3 for RotJ, and then 16 for the PT, so to me, anything less than a decade is not a long break between films.

 

True, but I may be transitioning to being more like "the new Star Wars fan," which will be a construct of the high-volume SW streaming era.

In the generation that old geezers like you and I came from, we were just happy to get a SW movie whenever we could; we might only complain after several years without one. But the kids of today will get spoiled- they will be having a fit when there will be more than a 2 month break between productions. They haven't had it any other way. I see that time coming.

"The new SW fan," entitled and demanding for endless top notch SW material, and NO long breaks in between.

I like the way it is now better, obviously.

 

Harrumph. When I started out as a SW fan, I had to hike to the theater uphill in snow that made Hoth look like Tatooine, both ways. Do you know how many of my taun-tauns froze at the first marker?

 

Yep, this was something like my route to the theater at the time:

 

Part of the problem this time is that the ST films were so unsatisfying (even fans of the trilogy I know describe them as leaving them feeling a bit empty and having no rewatch value) that having to wait a long time for more is more painful this time. The OT held me over for two decades. The ST certainly won’t.

Thankfully there’s streaming.

 

Yeah, imagine the situation without streaming- if we had seen nothing since TROS. A negative and divided fan base would exist for a long time.

Luckily, the public image of SW is far more positive as of now; most people think of Baby Yoda, Ahsoka, and Mando, not resurrection, grandparent relations, and cringey kisses.

 

Don't forget Jedi: Fallen Order. The second best SW thing that happened in 2019.

 

Jezus, it is really impossible to forget. I still cannot stand how many things in TROS passed the cut.

 

Embarrassing way to end a saga for sure. I bet there are at least 30 directors that could have done something better, with the chops for a big production.

Rey is Luke's daughter, striking down her evil cousin in the end. I mean there are so lines one could randomly throw out that are better than "Rey ends up being resurrected Palp's granddaughter."

Moving forward, they may end up using some of the characters, but should stay away from references to Frankenstein Palp, or the kiss with Ben.

 

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think delaying/cancelling Rogue Squadron was a good sign. I think the next movie should either connect with one of the Disney+ shows (personally I'm hoping for The Mandalorian: A Star Wars Story ) or kick off a new series in a previously unexplored time period. Much as I was looking forward to Rogue Squadron as a standalone film, the concept for the film gave off the vibe that Disney has no grand plan for Star Wars and are continuing to churn out random movies.

 

Exactly. Like Disney, what's the grand plan with the movies? "Oh I don't know, let us put out this little side project movie, then we'll figure it out."

Doesn't seem like the ideal approach.

 

First of all, I disagree that the movies need to have a "grand plan" in a Saga/Series/Tightly Interconnected sense. I always WANTED the Disney movies to be largely an Anthology of mostly disconnected films in different time periods in the Star Wars universe. I was always more excited for the Anthology movies than the Saga movies under Disney. I don't think that would be a bad template to follow, at all.
Second, we don't know how Rogue Squadron would have/will tie in with bigger plans. For all we know, they were planning a galaxy spanning adventure that would establish the status quo of the post-TROS galaxy and future movies would build on that premise. It would be very easy for this movie to be very important to the overall mythos and "grand plan", rather than just a "little side project movie".

 

To me the ST characters are totally burn out. I really don't need any more content based on them.

I the "classic" SW era, I would focus on the D+ shows. I believe they deserve a big event movie in which they show, I don't know, Din becoming the new Mandalore, or every Favreau character teaming up to face Thrawn... Something that gives us some nice moments to remember the post-ROTJ era.

Every rumor about new SW movies seems to focus on the past. The origin of the Jedi series by B&W, the rock age logo of Taika's movie, the constant rumors of Old Republic and High Republic content... I believe even the lackluster leadership in LFL is able to see they screwed up big time the ST era, and now they need to look into the past to give the fans what they want.

There is one huge risk though. That is a sensitive era. To me LFL corrupted the OT movies with such a poor conclussion. So I fear they also have terrible ideas for the origin of the Jedi, or a potential conflict between the Jedi and the Sith. A really talented film maker would be needed to make those movies. And so far, the names that have been announced after the ST was finished, are not strong enough for the task IMO: B&W, Taika, Jenkins... I can only picture one name: Dennis Villenueve.

 

Finally bring the Nude Jedi Order to the screen.

 

I feel like a the end of the day it's what group of audience is Star Wars trying to capture and unlike say DC or Marvel Star Wars is so big your gonna tick off one faction over the other.

One faction is the "Lets have a big interconnected cinematic universe approach" and that tends to lead to a bit more studio micromanaging and creative clashes depending on what type of director you get.


And since Lucasfilm keeps going for bigger names than Marvel most of the time, they should honestly probably go for the "Forget interconnected universe will just make stories" kinda vibe.

Perhaps Lucasfilm themselves are still struggling with one approach they wanna take with their movies moving forward.

 

I'm sure that's part of what the issue is/was with Rogue Squadron i.e. *if* Rogue Squadron was going to be set post ST, it's a very big risk for, what would effectively be an 'anthology' movie, to establish the galactic position for future SW content. I don't believe for a second that Lucasfilm have got a handle on what a post ST era would be... and without that, one can't expect Patty Jenkins to define it.

These things aren't mutually exclusive though. It's possible to have both interconnected stories/films/TV and stories/films/TV that exist as standalone. Indeed, I'd argue that SW has already established its ability to go backwards and forwards within its different eras. I'd imagine this *was* the original strategy of DLF, but issues early on led to their initial planned content being curtailed. Of course the trick is establishing a pipeline of content that does appeal to those 'factions'...and if you don't like, for example, the Captain Phasma origin story, you only have to wait 6 months until you get a KOTOR movie etc. etc. This is the model I think Lucasfilm envisaged and are still trying to work to (the major change being the prioritisation of TV over cinema).

 

Fighting Nude Gunray?