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The Mandalorian The Armorer

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by Tan-Wessel, Nov 15, 2020.

  1. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Din’s almost certainly going to be involved with a storyline to try and get them into the reclaiming of Mandalore, though since the Armorer appears to be a former Shadow Collective Supercommando, I feel that the covert most likely *are* the types of Mando’s who only respect the darksaber as a symbol of power.
     
  2. CISMestizo

    CISMestizo Jedi Knight star 1

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    I would agree if Din wasn't so oblivious to it's importance. I get a sense the Ancient Ways predate the Dark Saber. While I think the Armorer and other members of the covert will understand it's symbolic and political importance to the Mandalorian people I don't think they solely respect it. I think they look at it like every other Mandalorian group. An important symbol of power, but not at all necessary, or determinant for ones right to rule Mandalore.

    Reminds me of the Stone of Destiny which was an important ceremonial object for the coronation of Scottish Kings. The King of England stole the stone as a symbol of his supremacy over Scotland and it's King. Lets just say the Scots didn't exactly respect English authority all of a sudden because of it. The next time a Scottish King would be coronated with the Stone was not as the King Scotland(he already held that title), but as the King of England.
     
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  3. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod & Bewildered Conductor of SWTV Lit &Collecting star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    She's back! And man, props to Emily Swallow for just owning the stage in just a relatively short time.
    I could listen to her narrate oodles of Mandalorian history for a whole episode with zero complaints.
     
  4. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Her clan is now almost non exsistence. and she will be hard to recruit in future. Yeah she is former death watch, no doubt. With them living on Concordia.
     
  5. The Togruta Jedi

    The Togruta Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I agree. I love how the backstory of Mandalore and it’s people is expanding and getting deeper
     
  6. Django Fett

    Django Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    I really disliked her telling...
    Din he was a 'Mandalorian no more', I think she should've said he was no longer a member of "the Children of the Watch".
     
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  7. The Togruta Jedi

    The Togruta Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I agree with this 100% but I think because of this Din will have an interesting adventure ahead
     
  8. clone commander bossk

    clone commander bossk Ostrich Velocity Expert star 5

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    Well i think as far as the armorer is concerned the children of the watch ate the only real mandalorians.
     
  9. Ghost Ryder

    Ghost Ryder Jedi Master star 4

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    Exactly. Din reflected that himself when he told Bo-Katan, "There is only one way."
     
  10. Django Fett

    Django Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    As the de-facto leader of the CotW she can decide who's a member of that tribe but she doesn't wield the Darksaber, does she have a right to decide who's a Mandalorian?
     
  11. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    He didn't even seem to have heard the term "children of the watch" before - it doesn't seem like a term they use for themselves.

    But yeah, her and her philosophy is an interesting contrast with Bo-Katan and that philosophy. Din is generally level headed and calm enough to just talk about these things without escalating, but man having Bo-Katan and the Armorer in the same room would be fun to watch.
     
  12. Darth_Accipiter

    Darth_Accipiter Force Ghost star 6

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    Pretty big contradiction coming from the Armorer this episode btw. Hate to say it - sloppy writing?

    the Whistling birds are a weapon forged from beskar, and the Armorer forges them for Din, yet the Armorer claims in this episode Mandalorian steel is meant for armor, not weapons. What's up with that? I suppose you could argue the whistling birds are fired from the vambrace/gauntlet part of Mandalorian armor, but that's grasping at straws IMO. This is something that should have been caught and either further expanded upon or just left out.
     
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  13. Ghost Ryder

    Ghost Ryder Jedi Master star 4

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    She described them as "a powerful defense against multiple enemies." And they may not be able to penetrate beskar.
     
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  14. Darth_Accipiter

    Darth_Accipiter Force Ghost star 6

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    If a beskar spear can penetrate beskar, beskar missiles seem fit to the part as well. And Din has used them offensively, not defensively. Their purpose is very clearly offensive, as they are projectiles that are not passive and seek out targets to eliminate.
     
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  15. Sarge

    Sarge 5x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Has anyone kept track of how much exposition the armorer has delivered? No? Well, I think it's a lot. An awful lot. But she delivers it well. That is the way.
     
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  16. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I think there’s definitely some technicalities and nuance here, as well as some possibly *very* clear and intentional hypocrisy from the filmmakers here.

    The Whistling Birds weren’t capable of piercing the Darktrooper’s armor, which doesn’t seem to have been Beskar itself. The Birds *can*, clearly, kill in unarmored areas on a Mandalorian, and on the underarmored stormtroopers… but doesn’t appear to be able to penetrate the actual Beskar plater. Technicality, verging on outright hypocrisy.

    The Armorer herself has wielded her smithing hammer against foes, and it’s probably good bet it’s made of Beskar in order to help forge the armor itself… but it’s technically just a tool. Technicality covering what might be very blunt (Ha!) hypocrisy.

    It may just be that the type of weapon the spear is, seemingly designed to penetrate armor, might be what causes some consternation to the Armorer, since it might highlight an insecurity a Mandalorian isn’t used to. In the same way that a medieval knight might use some projectile weapons themselves, but cry foul at Crossbowmen and Longbowmen who’ve specifically trained to kill their social “betters.”

    Exposition is never a problem if it’s done well. It’s just that it’s easy to be lazy and making it boring.
     
  17. nilzo antonio

    nilzo antonio Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    And Boka-Tan implied the CotW are just fanatical zealots, wich seems to be true.
     
  18. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    The old ways vs the new ways!
     
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  19. The Togruta Jedi

    The Togruta Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    revisiting this could she be Rook Kast?
     
  20. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    Might be to much. Especially when her only function as a character is right now to be exposition machine
     
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  21. The Togruta Jedi

    The Togruta Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I might do this as a project. Just to see exactly her timeline. I’ll post it by tomorrow (I hope)
     
  22. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    She believes that you can't be a Mandalorian without following the dogma of the Children of the Watch. So it made 100% sense for her to say that. As we already know, this group of Mandos are a very strict cult.
    So then they're not made of beskar.
     
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  23. Django Fett

    Django Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    Her dogmatic view will see her tribe remain only a few...before they become no more.
     
  24. The Togruta Jedi

    The Togruta Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Season 1 & 2: (Armorer Quotes)

    below are all Season One and Season Two Quotes


    This was gathered in the Great Purge. It is good it is back with the Tribe.
    A pauldron would be in order. Has your signet been revealed?
    Soon… This is the Way.

    When one chooses to walk the way of the Mandalore, you are both hunter and prey.
    Then you have earned the Mudhorn as your signet
    Why would an enemy help you in battle?
    How can one be a coward if one chooses this way of life? Have you ever removed your helmet?
    Has it ever been removed by others? This is the Way.

    Our secrecy is our survival. Our survival is our strength.
    Whistling birds are a powerful defense against multiple enemies. Use them sparingly, for they are rare.

    Since you forego a signet, I shall use the excess to forge whistling birds.
    As it should always be. The foundlings are the future. This is the Way

    This amount can be shaped many ways.
    Indeed. I can form a full cuirass. This would be in order for your station.
    I must warn you, it will draw many eyes.

    (the below bit is from Paz Viszla I thought it was important)
    These were cast in an Imperial smelter. These are the spoils of the Great Purge. The reason that we live hidden like sand rats.

    It is a foundling. By creed, it is in your care.
    It is too weak. It would die. You have no choice. You must reunite it with its own kind.
    This, you must determine. This is the Way

    Show me the one whose safety deemed such destruction.
    This is the one that you hunted, then saved?
    From the mudhorn? It looks helpless.

    I know of such things. The songs of eons past tell of battles between Mandalore the Great and an order of sorcerers called Jedi that fought with such powers.
    No. Its kind were enemies, but this individual is not.

    If you follow the descending tunnel, it will lead you to the underground river. It flows downstream toward the lava flats. You must go. A foundling is in your care. By creed, until it is of age or reunited with its own kind, you are as its father. This is the Way. You have earned your signet. You’re a clan of two.

    I have one more gift for your journey. Have you trained in the Rising Phoenix?
    (She is referring to his Jetpack during this exchange which on screen you can see her forging)
    When you have healed, you will begin your drills. Until you know it, it will not listen to your commands.

    @Jedi Knight Fett
     
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  25. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    The Old ways of Mandalore sounds similar to Old way of the jedi order. And both needed expands to new ways.
     
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