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Lit Favourite Obscure Pieces of Lore

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sinrebirth , Sep 19, 2022.

  1. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, it's one of the reasons i respect him a lot as a creator, he is one of the first that tried to make everything a cohesive universe, connecting everything, not only in his small details but his stories themselves are heavy on continuity: JAT combines plenty of Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire elements, making it clear it is all a continuous narrative, his Tales of the Jedi run is a combination of JAT elements and Veitch's original story ideas in the first place, as they saw the opportunity to connect Exar Kun, the Sith Spirit, to the story of Qel-Droma, YJK has everything, from characters related to the Han Solo Adventures to prominent characters that carry out lore from Courtship of Princess Leia (Tenel Ka) and these connections are made in a way that is beyond "hey remember that?" but more of a continuation of those narrative beats from older, seemingly unconnected works.

    He definetly laid the groundwork of how the EU as a whole would treat continuity during the Del Rey era.
     
  2. Grand Admiral Paxis

    Grand Admiral Paxis Jedi Master star 3

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    I've always been iffy on the idea of the family of Palpatine's father's mistress being elevated into the Imperial Family. Even from the IU perspective of the Emperor muddying the waters of his backstory, he clearly hated his father and I can't see him sharing his name with a bunch of rubes.

    I like to think that Pallopides was his mother's maiden name, and he spared her distant relatives as a sick joke. I can fully see Palpatine establishing a patrilineal dynasty with an unclear line of succession - and where he's the only one with the royal name - having a bunch of random Pallopides floating around. He'd be as amused by them cashing in on their distant relationship to him as he would be by high-ranking allies and rivals alike, marrying these nobodies under the assumption that it might bring them closer to the throne.
     
  3. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    A obscure piece of lore I adore is Darth Vecitivus. He didn’t build an empire, seek glory, nor try to wipe out the Jedi in a costly war. He was master of Phantoms and a Banenite Sith, but he knew how to walk away from the drama and died among family and friends.
     
  4. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Would it not be his brother having the family tree to Ederlathh? Could Volpau and Ederlatth be in the same branch of the family tree?
     
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  5. RogueWhistler

    RogueWhistler Jedi Knight star 3

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    The moon of Alderaan (and whether or not it exists) is one that I enjoyed enough to fill out its Wookieepedia page.

    One of the few articles that I've actually created was for Rac, a character who appears in a sample comic in an art book I had when I was younger. I'm not really sure if it'd be canon or not, but the story mentions a run-in between Jango Fett and a group of Jedi on Kamino before AotC, which is an interesting idea that doesn't seem to come from anywhere else.
     
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  6. I like how in Republic issue 64 there is a Flashback from the Plagueis novel when Palpatine arrives on Coruscant for the first time after becoming a Senator and meets Ronhar Kim it is the only time we see a Plagueis novel scene represented in a Comic
     
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  7. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    I must have read this and forget until someone mentioned it on here around the time Solo was in development but I believe Han's imperial training included ballroom dancing. Like, why?
     
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  8. Senpezeco

    Senpezeco Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  9. Golbolco

    Golbolco Jedi Master star 4

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    Etiquette, honoring colors, formal events etc. are a staple of training in armed services IRL.
     
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  10. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    Umbrella Academy. :p
     
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  11. Sarge

    Sarge 3x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    That much is true; I did some of that stuff during my two years on the base honor guard. But we never had to learn ballroom dancing.
     
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  12. Legends characters existing in the New Canon is Weird for its ambiguity canonicity with the Disney universe like Exar Kun ,Ulic Qel Droma,Vitiate, Tenebrous, Dash Rendar, Rahm Kota,Revan etc
     
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  13. Kadar Ordo

    Kadar Ordo Jedi Knight star 2

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    Zam Wesell apparently has a daughter who was only mentioned in one reference guide and one RPG sourcebook and then never used again. I'm surprised she was never used for a Boba Fett comic or something; I can easily imagine a story where she hunts down Boba to avenge her mother's death at his father's hand. (And I just gave myself a fanfic idea)
     
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  14. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mind_evaporator/Legends

    The Mind Evaporator technology from the Star Wars Holiday Special is intriguing as it basically is a VR machine that could be useful in the GFFA for virtual space meetups, conferences etc., too aside old Wookiee naughty fun. Pity it was never used again. But yub the GFFA had VR Metaspace already in the 70s.

    And one got to love the title Mind Evaporator alone.

    Maybe Wookiees reverse engineered Rakatan Mindtraps to invent those.




    And another obscurity that is not too old actually:

    Natasi Daala had married Ligeus Vorn, the holofaker that offered Leia to create huttese "art" for her in Planet of Twilight. Daala had a son with him who went on to have a daughter, her granddaughter, as per LotF Revelation.

    Well, that much is telling about Daala and her preferences of "art". And given they were a couple before when she was younger already briefly, one can wonder what that weirdo Ligeus kept or faked of her. The Holonet never forgets! But that weirdness aside, did he help her in creating Fakenews and all that? I mean, they were married during the Second Imperium time... the biggest fake-Palpatine Holo ever created...
    wait... did Ligeus do that?



    and another one:

    The "Heart of Dathomir Nebula" in the Dathomir system eerily reminds me of Exegol's Red Space Nebula...

    Quote from SW Galaxies MMO website:
    In general Galaxies MMO Space expansion was full of obscure lore and stuff!

    I headcanon that these witch space forces are the Nightsisters spaceborn branches that tried to return to the planet past Imperial blockades and free their trapped sisters down on the world. Maybe these spaceborn witches are the descendants or actual witches that Mother Zalem and Talzin sent off decades ago with missions to far flung worlds, like they did with Charal and others we know of?
     
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  15. Golbolco

    Golbolco Jedi Master star 4

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    Being that she's a clawdite, she may very well have appeared in a Boba Fett comic--Xasha from the TFU II comic comes to mind as a weird loose end.
     
  16. KamSolusar

    KamSolusar Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    SW Galaxies in general had so may small references to (somewhat) obscure stuff and I'd wager some of the new lore tidbits spread throughout the game might have had some big implications for other stuff.
    It's been over a decade since the game shut down, so I've already forgotten a lot of it. But there's a few things that I remember:

    The attempted Chiss invasion/colonisation of Kashyyyk.
    In one region of Kashyyyk there was a large group of Chiss poachers/hunters who had set up camp there. There was also a nearby region where player groups could fight against a Katarrn, but they first had to dispose of all Chiss poachers there, who were spraying the area with some kind of poisonous yellow fog. I don't remember all details, not sure it was ever revealed how or why they had come to Kashyyyk specifically. The buildings used for the camp where also later reused by the developers for the revamped hidden township of Aurilia on Dathomir.

    The space part of the Kashyyyk DLC also had - among several space stations in the system - a Chiss poacher base. And something that the vast majority of players probably never played or even knew about - a mission where you had to engage and destroy several waves of Chiss colony ships. In the space part of SWG, you could actually hail many named NPCs flying around (which many players never knew) and several of them handed out simple quests. One of those quests from a space NPC in the Kashyyyk system asked you to destroy these Chiss ships and thwart their colonization/invasion attempt . I remember that I tried it a few times but never defeated the last wave. This was just some eather uninportant side quest and the devs didn't add any Chiss-specific ship classes or models for it. Instead they re-used some other ship models that were already in the game, though I don't even remember which. Might have been rebel gunboats or something like that.

    I'm curious why the Chiss chose Kashyyyk. Especially since just a few years later, it also attracted the attention of another species from the Unknown Regions, the Nagai.

    Mustafar was once a lush green world and had a Jedi temple. The Jedi found a gigantic crystal there that was attuned to the Force. Then the Sith attacked and the Jedi tried to used it to fight them, vastly increasing the abilities of the Jedi on the battlefield. But things went wrong, potentially due to the Sith using their powers to influence the Jedi masters that were manipulating the crystal. This caused the crystal to shatter and Mustafar was thrown out of its orbit and turned into a lava world.

    The official SWG website had a series of articles detailing the first parts of a long quest line for new players in prose form. And the character in this version of the story is actually Chief Bast, who survived the destruction of the first Death Star, underwent surgery to turn himself into a Twi'lek and then infiltrated the Rebellion.

    And the Tales of the Jedi audiobook had one of the characters (Nomi Sunrider? One of the Quel-dromas?) control the ship's computer via voice commands. Something very rarely seen in SW, I think.
     
  17. RogueWhistler

    RogueWhistler Jedi Knight star 3

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    Interesting, since LFL specifically stated that Bast died at Yavin a few times. I'd love it if this could be tied into "Fake Bast" from the Holiday Special.
     
  18. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    Some of the early lore from WEG surrounding stormtroopers made them seem very interesting and mysterious. Nobody knew where they came from, they had their own command structure, unswerving loyalty to the Emperor, etc. WEG also played a little coy with what the stormtroopers actually looked like beneath the buckets - there's a great illustration in the second edition rulebook, for example, that teases the possibility they were clones. Obviously that didn't line up too much with the depiction of stormtroopers either from the earlier Marvel comics or later in the canon, which both implied more mundane origins for the Imperial shock troops. But I thought it was a fun take.
    That is... definitely one direction in which to take the character. It'd be a shame to lose those sideburns, though.
     
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  19. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    I think the Chiss and others target Kashyyyk because of its Rakatan past if they are interested in artifacts or starmaps maybe. Maybe the Nagai, too, have similiar interests?

    And Mustafar's Galaxies past exploration is truly great and fitting and acutally OneCanon style fits perfect with the Vader Immortal Corvax etc. storyline for its past that is quite similiar. Both united give the full picture actually!

    Also the audiobooks for TotJ, Dark Empire, etc. having lots of expanded scenes not in the original print sources is epic and I loved those and reading transcripts of them. Not enough people know those.

    Maybe Chief Bast used TCW nanobots to turn Twilek only temporarily and back for the Holiday Special?
     
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  20. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_Angels_of_Dathomir

    Now this Swoop Gang, what is their deal? All female? Witchy styling? And what the heck are "Shadow Angels" from Dathomir they named themselves after? One day I need to learn more about this!
    After Angels of Iego, Angel-like Ones on Mortis and Ark Angels of some kind Aphra named her ship after... these new angels are another mysterious lot we need expanded.
     
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  21. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Master star 4

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    Go for it!

    Also i feel they could have used her in order to have Zam Wesell-lite during the OT era or even post-Jedi, wasted opportunity there, she's among my favorite bounty hunters.
     
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  22. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I wonder if that was inspired by Star Wars Poster Monthly saying that they’re clones.
     
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  23. RogueWhistler

    RogueWhistler Jedi Knight star 3

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    The Visionaries comic "Prototypes", in general, would probably qualify for me. It's not that strong a story, mostly just a background for Durge, but so little about it is explained or ever mentioned again that I find it kind of fascinating.
     
  24. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Master star 4

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    Same here, the doctor character is quite fascinating, it feels like a small piece from a big and convoluted story being given to us randomly, like a couple of loose pages of an old book.
     
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  25. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    The Sith Altar Darth Sidious uses to cast the illusion ritual that ensnares Yoda on Moraband is the same altar he uses decades later to peer into the World Between Worlds. After the inhibitor chip incident with Fives, Sidious relocated this font along with numerous other Sith artifacts from the Works to the Grand Republic Medical Facility, which became his repository.

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    After Order 66 and the subsequent renovation of the Jedi Temple into the Imperial Palace, the altar was moved once more, into the subterranean Sith Shrine that lay beneath the former Temple.

    It was from that Dark Side nexus that Sidious was able to tear a hole in the fabric of reality and gaze into the space-time phenomenon known as Vergence Scatter. Similar to how Darth Vader was able tear a similar gap in reality using the Mustafar Force locus to search for his wife beyond the veil.

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    Both Sith Lords required the use of a Dark Side nexus and a focusing device to do it, but they were able to reach beyond space and time to grasp what they desired. Ultimately however, neither one was able to actually obtain their goal. Just as the Force thwarted Darth Plagueis when he tried to create a Forceful being of his own, the Force lashed back at Vader and Sidious when they overreached.
     
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