The Mandalorian Bo-Katan in The Mandalorian (Spoilers)

She is very popular its a reasonbthey still followed her for almost 30 years. Its just that they believe more in a magic sword.

 

My guess is that it will be mentioned that Bo became a member of the Death Watch (maybe, initially not by her own choice) at young age and was under the influence of Pre, in similar fashion to Din and the Armorer.

 

Before i thought Bo Katan might have been romantic involved with Pre Viszla as his second in command. But now it becomes creepy. He is almost 30 years older then her. But she at worshipped him. We might get backstory on Pre being a kind uncle to Bo.

 

In general backstory for Pre would be great, considering that he somehow kept power after the end of civil war and was considered to be loyal to Satine (TCW season 2 was very weird in regard to Mandalorians).

 

Indeed, he fought in the civil wars against her and her family. He is the reason Mandalore is the way it is in Clone wars. He might have killed Jango's clan.

 

I like to think Pre was a foot soldier under his ruthless uncle. And Almec being one of the defenders of Kryze family who fought. Dont think many if any Mandalorian could evade being apart of the war. Pre be in his late 20's to 30. This is the fate that changed Mandalore forever.

 

I presume that a lot of the ones who ditched Bo are ones who were opportunistic and never truly loyal to her.

when one bets on X to become Ruler they likely expect perks/something in return for it. Once the saber went to someone else. They would have no reason to continue following her. From that POV, she was the most likely candidate for it, so betting on her made sense.

What I don't get is why did Bo not challenge Din
-during S2 finale. At this point him not having Grogu could have put Din mentally not focused and would be a likely win. So Luke leaves, then Din goes on his merry way and then Bo takes the ship back with her that gets basically taken by her men later.
-during the inbetween of S2 finale and S3 premiere
-during S3 premiere

she had chance after chance after chance but never did so. And given how Din is so clumsy with the darsksaber. I do think Bo could have challenged him and good chance won too.

will be curious to why she never did challenge. Always see mention its because she was gifted it by Sabine but that has nothing to do with opportunity after opportunity to challenge Din in combat. She seems for longest time to have no interest in fighting Din. Throughout season 2 she constantly wanted him to join her even before he acquired the saber. And he himself brought that up in S3 when he said he's finally here to join her.

 

She knows she doesn't stand a chance against Din as long as he's the protagonist in his own show.

 

To be fair she kinda did fail to save her entire planet.

 

Well no one could stand against The Empire.

 

She should have gone down with the ship

 

Maybe but then again could been worse for Mandalore.

 

why would she need to go down with the ship? Dying for no good reason is pointless. Live to fight another day.

so far Pre Vizla has been only darksaber user to die
-Gideon won=Bo survived
-Din won=Gideon survived
-Paz challenges Din and loses=survives

there has been no indication that challenging for darksaber=to the death.
from what we've seen Bo was only one actively making an effort towards Madalore post Purge. Rest all seem to have moved on.

thing about Bo's Rule is that we have 0 idea if she was a good ruler or not.
-After Siege of Mandalore, Bo refused to comply with Empire and was forced to abdicate and Clan Saxon betrayed her
-When they reclaimed Mandalore from Empire+Empire Mando puppets, response from Empire was to mass murder the Mandos

so either way neither gives a good idea if she really was good leader or not. As both times the Empire was issue and none could whistand Empire for like 20 years.

I'm actually in indifferent boat about who shall become Mandalore leader whether Bo, Din, Grogu, Ragnar etc. Don't really care more wait and see and will judge the answer based on how it happens and if the person shows themselves worthy or not, time will tell.

 

Is there any official or canon word on how Gideon got the darksaber?

 

No don't think so, but probaly not a fight to the death. most likley got it with Imperial might.

 

Maybe this moment in season 3 promo

Spoiler

is their new home.


Warrior Mandos seems to prefer castles to domed cities.

 

Agreed - I would also love to see some surviving New Mandalorians and their perspective on things.

Personally, I have a headcanon that Sabine ended up evacuating a lot of Mandalorians, especially civilians, to Lothal in the wake of the purge.

Agreed. Bo-Katan seems to waging a private conflict on Gideon's forces despite the fact the New Republic has been referenced as actively hunting down imperial warlords like him, so there has to be some reason she didn't go to them.

Admittedly there is plenty of reason for her not to - the last time a republic helped her out it didn't end well, and she might be angry that the rebellion was unable to prevent the purge, especially after Clan Wren helped save the rebel fleet at Atollon.

Yeah...honestly I could see most of her forces ditching and then her sending the rest away in her depression, kind of like how she dismisses Din when he said to came to join her, even if having the darksaber holder work for her has to be good pr.

Interesting. I hadn't thought about it before, but I think you are likely right about Pre Visla.

In contrast, I think Almec was a veteran of the conflict, and joined the New Mandalorians more out of opportunism than idealism.

Admittedly, those also work. Many nazi leaders were WW1 veterans who still romanticized war despite the horrors of that conflict, so Pre could easily have fought, albeit I think he was likely young and had a minor role.

That said, there were many ways to be a part of the war. Warrior people or not, modern warfare requires a lot of support for every front line fighter - farmers, factory workers, transport crews, bureaucrats to make sure the supplies make it to where they need to go, medics and mechanics, etc. Even for warriors, some need to be assigned away from the front lines to protect the above and one can easily miss the fighting that way.

It is an interesting question, I wonder that myself.

Best answer I can think of is to go back to what Gideon says "it is not the blade that has power, its the story" and that challenging an ally purely to have the blade would be enough of a dishonorable move that people wouldn't want to follow her even with the darksaber. You have to a cool story about how you got the darksaber, not just have the blade.

Note rebels where Ursa points out Sabine having the darksaber makes her more of a target than a leader, since she didn't have a proper claim to it

 

issue of
"I like this idea, but I also like the idea that on top of it, Bo simply made the strategic error of wanting to have the Mandalorians rise in open, public, and acknowledged revolt, and refusing to take Rebel Alliance advice on either maintaining some kind of cover (before ANH’s events) or being ready to withdraw back into cover if things went bad (before ESB’s events)."

isn't it that it wasn't Bo who started the Civil War in Rebels it was others and she just joined up with them in taking down the Saxons. But once you took down the Empire Puppets its already a give that your in open revolt towards the Empire. You can't really covert do anything anymore.

when Bo went against Empire directly was at infancy of Empire and there was no Rebel Alliance, so all alone vs military might and we saw in Bad Batch how, Empire would get rid off anyone who goes against them.

will say sucks for Mandalorians that timeline wise their rebellion was super close to pre-ANH. Had they waited a few years, could have avoided the purge too.

on topic of Darksaber
interesting idea but then one gets into the Paz Vizsla roadblock and that he as an ally of Din and had no qualms in challenging him to a duel.

could be that Bo knows that she might have to challenge Din with a live audience of other Mandos. Maybe after Sabine gifted her the saber none would believe her if she said she won it in battle. They would assume she was gifted the saber by Mando instead.

only person there in S2 finale was a Bo supporter, between S2 and S3 if Bo tracks him down would only be Bo supporters around and S3 had no one around. This could be the issue Bo is facing. From trailers and pics, does seem like Bo and Din gonna spend a lot of time together too like all season, maybe.

 

Oh yeah, the show made it super obvious this wasn’t just about Din’s redemption but hers too. The Darksaber expertise and her unexpectedly also bathing in the waters and locking eyes with you know what, I’m now 100% confident you’re looking at the future Mandalore with her.

 

Bo Katan is now offically a princess of Mandalore. The family Kryze, the royal family of Mandalore.

 

Or Duchess. Considering Satine was Duchess...maybe Duke/Duchess is the formal title used by the Mando Royal Family.

 

I gathered that was more of a Satine thing as before her time they used to be called Mandalore