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The Mandalorian The Mandalorian 3.08 - Chapter 24 (SEASON FINALE!!!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by Todd the Jedi , Apr 18, 2023.

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Grade the Episode

Poll closed May 3, 2023.
  1. 10

    18.9%
  2. 9

    18.0%
  3. 8

    29.5%
  4. 7

    13.1%
  5. 6

    11.5%
  6. 5

    4.9%
  7. 4

    0.8%
  8. 3

    0.8%
  9. 2

    0.8%
  10. 1

    1.6%
  1. IG_2000

    IG_2000 Force Ghost star 4

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    Did we get the first canon appearance of the Spaarti cloning cylinder?
     
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  2. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    2 moments in particular felt like they were going to go in one direction and then didn’t.

    The first was when Axe was telling everybody to leave the ship and that one guy looked back at him. It felt like Axe was about to do something shady but he was instead heroic.

    The second was when the Armorer said Grogu can’t talk. It felt like for a split second he might say a word or two but he didn’t.
     
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  3. Blame_It_On_Lucas

    Blame_It_On_Lucas Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Well I don't think it's that Din's unfit in the sense of worthiness. The show portrays him as an overall solid dude. That's not without question. The darksaber though is not part of what defines him.

    I don't know, I feel like Din is bigger than the darksaber but in his own way.

    I guess I'm just not invested in the whole darksaber discourse. I'm more concerned that since the Book of Boba Fett finale, Baby Yoda has been mostly a gimmick to illicit aww's from the general audience. His usage lately has felt incredibly pandering.
     
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  4. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    The hallway scene manages to be extra special just because the premise adds some tension even to someone assured of character shields; “How’s Din going to get a new weapon combination this time? Will any of the (should have been ISC) troopers get any more clever and try anything new?” Etc.

    That’s very John Wick - you know Keanu is going to kill these guys, but the set-up still puts enough obstacle in his way that the problem solving he uses becomes an attraction by itself.
    I think I’ve come to the conclusion that the finale episode is better than the season “deserves,” if that makes sense; I find it’s satisfying element almost totally self-contained, and that it suffers more from the few, badly thought out plot points from the middle of the season proving the slaves as missed opportunities or wastes of time than it does it’s own (… still somewhat constant) flaws as a story.

    Gideon really does Dick Dastardly his way into a loss multiple times in these last two episodes; there’s a lot of him laying out the welcoming mat for pretty much every major disadvantage and loss he faces here… but the episode largely covers for that with pure spectacle and Famuyiwa’s direction.

    In contrast, looking back at both this and the preceding episode… I can’t escape the conviction that failing to develop the Mandalorians, both as individuals and as subcultures, severely limited the weight and impact of a lot of scenes, and that there was exactly nothing gained from having Din give Bo the Darksaber if it was just going to be destroyed and there was any kind of ostensible lesson that might have been intended (and I’d argue seeing a lesson there might be more wishful thinking than actual analysis.)

    It was a mistake to not have Din do the Darksaber story The Return of the Mandalorian set-up if they were going to end up both destroying it anyways and have him return to a more hunting existence; the greater story for him going off on his own is to give up the greater power, and having a traditional champion do so would make a better lesson to his people.

    Bo didn’t gain a damn thing as a character from using it in one battle and posing with it twice, just like she didn’t really gain anything from having such a shallow and simplistic story this season.

    Plus…
    …I have to argue that we needed at least some Mandalorian antagonists this season, and that on a related note insisting Bo, The Armorer, and their factions are all just “white hat” heroes killed a lot of drama and resonance the story could have used.

    Mandos work great as antagonists, even (and maybe especially) when they’re not villainous. This season had a serious lack of compelling conflict and antagonists at its heart, especially in contrast to the superior Mandalorian stories in TCW and Rebels that could deploy Pre Viszla, Gar Saxon, Fenn Rau, and other memorable Mandos as opponents.

    And I’d argue Gideon remains a bit of a waste because they didn’t give him a backstory even when they dress him up as a Mando, and that they wasted his Beskar troopers by not making them Imperial Super Commandos. (It may even behoove future writers to make them ISC.)

    And I’d argue that Axe and Paz only really became fairly prominent because they were bellicose and antagonistic to our heroes at different times - and Bo is clearly held back as a dramatic character when we can’t have signifcant conflict either within or without her, while the Armorer remains more a meme than a character…

    …And the story continues to sort of subtly endorse Death Watch’s vision of Mandos as long as they don’t have those descendant groups examine their past.
     
  5. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    At least that stint where he was running around in the IG "suit" was short-lived. It makes you wonder if that was something that was proposed for a longer term but the writers just felt like it looked too awkward; like they were trying to give Din someone who was just his size as a full-time partner but it didn't feel right. But Lord knows we'll be seeing Grogu in IG Funko Pops before you know it.
     
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  6. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting; "Ent Award" winner star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    TV Tropes is a fan wiki, anyone can edit it. It'd just be one rando making any claims.
     
  7. DrDragon

    DrDragon Jedi Knight star 1

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    I know, I have an account, I want to change that page, but I fear an ugly edit war.
     
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  8. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, their review of the previous episode claims that the Imperial Armored Commandos (Gideon’s discount ISC) are Darktroopers because the editor just assumed that.
     
  9. Ubraniff Zalkaz

    Ubraniff Zalkaz Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Very satisfying chapter. I enjoyed season 3 a lot. I think there’s still a lot of stories left for Din and Grogu. For Mandalore!
     
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  10. Blame_It_On_Lucas

    Blame_It_On_Lucas Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    I'm going 8 on this one.

    It's absolutely a spectacle and an effective one at that but certainly rang a little hollow.

    Gideon essentially showed up just to die and felt like we needed him to show up earlier in the season to build to his downfall. The stuff with Grogu felt undercooked. The show never well established if Grogu really wanted to be a Mandalorian. He certainly wanted to be with Din but that's about it.

    On the plus side though, I'll never get sick of a Mando squad on their jetpacks having a dogfight sequence. I also legit thought Bo was gonna get killed since the season built her so strong that I thought her fate was to be tragically killed.

    It overall worked but not as well as last season's finale, and even I have gripes about S2's finale.
     
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  11. B3

    B3 Chosen One star 6

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    You people owe Axe and the Armorer a big apology. :p
     
  12. SmokeMonster4815162342

    SmokeMonster4815162342 Jedi Master star 3

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    “For Mandalore” rings so laughably hollow IMO.

    I still don’t know why I’m supposed to care about Mandalore or Bo Katan. For this show, “For Mandalore” needed to mean something to Din to mean something to me.

    For instance, Din expressing that he needs Grogu to have a real home. Or Din accepting his responsibility to fight for something greater than himself and Grogu (and potentially becoming a leader in the footsteps of a fallen Bo Katan), instead of hiding away with Grogu. I’m sure everyone here can think of a few more basic stories with more meat on the bones than what we got
     
  13. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    S2E8 is massively elevated by Luke Skywalker’s appearance and the cliffhanger. Don’t get me wrong. The final 15 minutes were mind blowingly awesome and I’ve watched them almost as many times as I watched the Vader Rogue one hallway scene and that’s saying something.

    However, I do think S3E8 deserves credit for being as fun as it is despite not having something as significant as a de-aged Luke Skywalker and a teary separation of Mando and Grogu for the first time and a melancholy feeling that Grogu might benefit from his time with Luke. I enjoyed the action and felt happy for the Mandalorian people in the end.

    I also like the dynamic of Carson Teva taking on sort of an early Commissioner Gordon role and Din Djarin being his Batman and Grogu as Robin. That’s already enjoyable for me. The cabin end scene also felt right somehow.
     
  14. Darth__Lobot

    Darth__Lobot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The real darksaber was the friends we met along the way
     
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  15. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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  16. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    https://www.inverse.com/entertainme...mfHNhamXthaZ5o2QxqeF8Z_0FES0BlPwZr9NcQ-EARiBI

    It’s an interesting perspective. For all the criticisms that the show had lost what made it work the season, the actual setup with Carson Teeva allows Grogu to learn how to be a bounty hunter with his dad chasing down members of the Shadow council without the pressures of the dark saber or the cohort or rebuilding culture. He’s done that now and so the story is free to return to what it did best for S4. But this time the bounty hunting has force powers added. ;):cool:
     
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  17. IG_2000

    IG_2000 Force Ghost star 4

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    I’m looking forward for season 4. Season 3 was off and had its ups and downs, but so did Clone Wars season 3.
     
  18. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    And he has my boundless gratitude for doing so.
     
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  19. DrDragon

    DrDragon Jedi Knight star 1

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    Again, he was literally about to kill himself in the season 2 finale, all they had to do was let him do it... which is why I really thought, before the season came out that he wasn't coming back, mainly because we were at the point the villain is so defeated the heroes have to save him from suicide, the best course of action in his mind was to just end his life because there was no chance he could win at that point. It made sense to me because he wasn't a deep villain, just some old ass who's stuck loyal to the empire and hates Mandalorians.

    They bring him back, just to do the same thing except he's more of a physical threat before he just dies. Except he wants to make clones of himself because get this... he's evil.
     
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  20. Sarge

    Sarge 2x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Yo. Thanks.

    A couple thoughts about jet packs and fuel.

    First, I've seen complaints about Axe flying into orbit. Did he, though? It looked to me like the fleet was in atmosphere, staying just above the layer of thunderstorms and ionization.

    Second, the local survivors talked about how they had established supply caches. It would make sense to have such a cache within easy distance of their garden, so it's possible everyone there topped off their jet fuel tanks before they flew back to the base.
     
  21. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    Not to sway too far off topic, but what were the "downs" from season 3 of TCW?
     
  22. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I said this elsewhere but it was the impoverished, rag-wearing refugees living in a cave who ran out of fuel. Unsurprisingly.

    Axe is part of an organized wage-earning group who have their uniforms pressed and have such an excess of fuel that they literally have all their smaller ships flying without any passengers while they all lounge on their cruiser. That group are clearly not suffering any sort of fuel shortage.
     
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  23. jasman

    jasman Administrator Emeritus star 4 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "No, I'll take care of him myself." Famous last words!!!
     
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  24. DAR

    DAR Force Ghost star 4

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    Like much of the season I thought it was fine probably a 3 1/2 out 5
     
  25. Darth Hood

    Darth Hood Jedi Master star 1

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    I enjoyed the episode, but I'm not sure how to feel about it on the whole. Feel like things from earlier in the season I expected resolution on were left unresolved or were underwhelming in their resolution.

    But hot damn give me that last scene in my veins