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The Mandalorian The Mandalorian 3.08 - Chapter 24 (SEASON FINALE!!!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by Todd the Jedi , Apr 18, 2023.

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Grade the Episode

Poll closed May 3, 2023.
  1. 10

    18.9%
  2. 9

    18.0%
  3. 8

    29.5%
  4. 7

    13.1%
  5. 6

    11.5%
  6. 5

    4.9%
  7. 4

    0.8%
  8. 3

    0.8%
  9. 2

    0.8%
  10. 1

    1.6%
  1. DrDragon

    DrDragon Jedi Knight star 1

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    So like the prequels and the somewhat oblivious Jedi and Republic, except even dumber because it's the second time it's happening.
     
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  2. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    My favorite scene was when that mouse-droid went away and came back with a bunch of his mates. that was pretty funny.
     
  3. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    And what about the taxes!? When will Star Wars finally give me an episode of their detailed tax process!? :p

    Given that the cost up front so far was scrap materials I won’t be surprised if payments end up being more like materials that have been confiscated before they’ve been documented.
     
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  4. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

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    Yup! And the dumber the NR looks the less I enjoy stories that involve the NR. It feels like future stories involving the NR are always going to be a bit disappointing because they're going to show the NR as a bunch of incompetent clowns at best. A story about the NR eventually being overrun with corruption and spies could possibly be an interesting story but also making them out to be a bunch of bumbling fools is NOT interesting or enjoyable to watch.

    On a related note they never explained how Gideon escaped. It seems like the show writers want us to think that Kane was somehow involved with his breakout but that doesn't account for why the NR didn't know about Gideon's whereabouts. This led to fans theorizing that the NR were so embarrassed about this blunder that they swept it under the rug. While that's a possibility it's just a theory. The show never does anything to give us evidence that there was an NR coverup. I guess we're supposed to think that Kane is the answer for everything. Somehow Kane covered everything up? Gideon not showing up to the tribunal should've been HUGE news, but since it wasn't we're supposed to think that Kane made that story go away? And part of how she made it go away so easily I guess is because the NR are a bunch of dipsticks who can't get their act together? If that's the story they want to tell they should embrace it and actually tell it on screen instead of leaving us, the viewer to make up excuses and theories.
     
  5. devilinthedetails

    devilinthedetails Fiendish Fanfic & SWTV Manager, Tech Admin star 6 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yeah, the cult of Mandalorians Din belongs to worked a lot better for me in Season 1 and 2 when they were mostly relegated to the role of supporting characters who helped rescue Din from some tight spots. But Din and Grogu were still at the center of the story and were the characters I really cared about. The Mandalorians in Din's cult were only interesting to me in so far as they could help and defend Din and Baby Yoda. Because Din and Baby Yoda were the characters that I felt invested in.

    And Bo's group also worked better for me in Season 2 when they forced Din to confront the reality that not all Mandalorians wear helmets all the time in front of others and that Din's group of Mandos is basically a splinter group of extremist Mandos. An extremist group of Mandos who have basically lied to and brainwashed Mando since he was a kid/foundling.

    A truth that could've been compelling from a character standpoint for Din to confront in Season 3. And those cultural differences between various factions of Mandalorians would also have been interesting for Season 3 to confront in more depth. But sadly the show runners rejected that potential for complexity and in-depth examination of both the strengths and weaknesses of Mandalorian culture in favor of very simplistic, surface-level stuff.

    Season 3's attitude to Mandalorians just seems to be "oh, they are awesome because they wear jet packs and armor, and there is no need to look at any of the troubling implications of their violently militaristic culture." Which is in contrast to, for example, the attitude toward the New Republic, where the New Republic can be held up for critique and even ridicule.

    But the Mandalorians are apparently beyond reproach and we are supposed to be cheering along with them when they have their little "For Mandalore" rally at the end.

    We are also supposed to not be in agreement with Gideon, I presume, when he asserts that Mandalorians are worthless without their trinkets. However, the most defining thing about the Mandalorians in Season 3 is their trinkets. Their helmets (which some believe true Mandos have to wear all the time in front of others). Their armor. Their jet packs. Their Darksaber. Which is Bo's only claim to leadership at all apart from the vague illogic of her somehow "walking two paths" when she doesn't wear a helmet despite the core tenet of Mando's cult being that true Mandos must wear a helmet at all times in the presence of others. So, yeah, there was minimal effort to flesh out the Mandalorians beyond their marketable trinkets in Season 3.

    Disney knows jetpacks, armor, and helmets sell, so there is no need to think about the moral implications of the story they are telling with these Mandalorians at all. Which is why I as an audience member am presumably supposed to be cheering along with the violent, militaristic Mandos "For Mandalore" when they light their Great Forge at the end in a scene that really reminds me of the Hux First Order rally if it were made by people who thought I should be applauding the First Order in my theater seat rather than horrified and appalled by what the First Order and Hux were doing.

    So, yeah, I have zero interest in rooting for the Mandalorians especially when they are as poorly fleshed out as this.

    To be honest, one of my biggest squicks in movies, tv shows, and literature is when violent, militaristic cultures are depicted gloriously and uncritically.

    Which is my biggest reason for tuning out of the Mandalorian show now that Season 3 is over.

    I am simply not interested in media that glorifies violence this uncritically.

    Of course, it is my personal squick, and I don't expect everyone else to share it, but it is a big reason I am ducking out of the Mandalorian fandom after three seasons.

    The Viktor Krum and Fleur Delacour cameos are being saved for Season 4.

    Mandalorian can't use all its best ideas for cameos in Season 3. It's got to save some of the brilliance for Season 4 and beyond[face_laugh]
     
  6. Siphonophore

    Siphonophore Chosen One star 5

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    It was nice to see Din Grogu teaching his foundling frog the ways of the Force. And some day, when foundling Teemor is adopted, Din Grogu and Din Teemor will stew over the heavy topics of the galaxy.
     
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  7. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    I need to go back and watch first 3 seasons again but can anyone remember if the Herzog character at the start was representing Gideon or not? The reason I ask is that it would be pretty amazing if Gideon sought to hire the same bounty hunter who later ended up destroying his whole plan.
     
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  8. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    that was actually really funny., esp since it was shot low angle. Looked like a little calvary/gang lol.
     
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  9. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    Herzog was working with DR Pershing? No? Soooo yeah they hired a bounty hunter who later brought it all down.
     
  10. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    Love it. Just couldn’t remember if Gideon co-opted something from that Herzog character or what.
     
  11. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    Bounty hunters always play both sides
     
  12. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost star 6

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    Why did Gideon kill Herzog? Seems Gideon was using the lower level Imperial Warlod aka ‘the Client’ as his proxy / public face. Gideon wanted his involvement unknown also to keep his operations an Navarro secret.

    Did the client become an unnecessary lose end once Gideon revealed his involvement?
     
  13. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    This is why I’m curious how it will be to go back and watch them all again. Including the BOBF Mando specials. I watched some of the episodes in S1 and 2 multiple times but not recently. Years ago when they first aired. I’m sure there are little details now that will play better on re-watch.
     
  14. Anakin's Daddy

    Anakin's Daddy Force Ghost star 4

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    This episode, (and the entire season come to think of it) felt very cartoony. It was riddled with convenient happenings and improbable situations. Obviously it’s not a cartoon, but the story, dialogue and execution felt like the Clone Wars instead of a live action show. With animation, I think you can usually get away with this sort of thing, but not with live action.

    Where did Grogu come from when he rescued Din? Why did Din decide to go after Moff Gideon without the other Mandalorians? Where did all the other troopers come from? How was it that this imperial base was located conveniently underground right where this giant beast smashed their ship? (Previous episode). Why did Axe crash the Star destroyer DIRECTLY into the hole where everyone was? How did the heat of the fire not burn Din/Grogu/Bo? I could go on. I get that you could come up with reasons for all of these things and justify it all somehow, I just found it all awkward. And that last shot with the circle around Grogu… The entire thing was written like a cartoon.
     
  15. Sarge

    Sarge 2x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Wherever it wanted to.
    NR Rangers slush fund, obviously.
     
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  16. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    we still don't know much about Grogu and what happened after he was rescued from the jedi purge.
     
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  17. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

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    MODified: Decidedly not Family Friendly
     
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  18. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    Interesting how that giant surface monster clearly exists in a very visible way... but a giant mythosaur is clearly just a myth?

    You'd think Mandalorians would be more open to giant beasts actually existing since their world is full of them.
     
  19. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    At least you made it to S3, I tuned out in BOBF Mando S2.5 when I realized I liked watching Boba, but as soon as Djarin came on screen the show went down hill. The truth is Mando needs a Firefly style setting, a crew, like Ghost Crew in Rebels, and Mando is the leader. Him alone and Grogu cannot keep a story going due to the need for dialogue and interaction.
     
  20. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

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    Yeah how about that flashback? If we didn't get that we never would've known that Grogu survived Order 66!
     
  21. DrDragon

    DrDragon Jedi Knight star 1

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    This season really was "So stuff is just kind of happening, huh".
     
  22. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    In BOBF there is a flashback Grogu has of Order 66.
     
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  23. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

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    Oh sorry, I was being sarcastic. Doesn't always come through on the internet. I was joking that the season three flashback didn't tell us anything of substance that we didn't already know.
     
  24. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    Oh lol well I just figured because BOBF didn’t get rave reviews, some Mando fans may have skipped it. I personally loved BOBF.
     
  25. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Also, what is special about the Mythosaur, if Kaiju are common on Mandalore? Why is the Mythosaur the symbol of their people?