PT PT fans: How do you feel about Leia being the Chosen One in Lucas planned ST?

How would it work? The only way it can work for me is if both Anakin and Leia share the role. Yoda did said “Always in motion is the future”.

From the Star Wars Archives 1999 to 2005: "The midi-chlorians started the birth process in Anakin's mother. The Whills communicated the command to the midi-chlorians, which activated the DNA that germinated the egg. That's why Anakin doesn't have a father. He was in a bizarre and metaphorical way touched by God, but in this case they happened to be one-celled animals."

So while Anakin was created to be the Chosen One going by this planned ST Anakin could have just partially fulfilled the prophecy. Remember "Always in motion is the future”.

Would this approach to the Chosen One work? I don't know but if Anakin was meant to appear in this ST and not just as a quick cameo more could come to accept it. Like having a scene between Anakin and Leia where he reveals to her that she has brought permanent balance to the Force and finished what he started.

What are your thoughts on all of this?

 

My opinion? It'd be more a series of events played out through Anakin's family bloodline. Luke would revive the jedi. Leia would revive the senate. Anakin destroyed the sith.

 

From what I understand, George Lucas did not want to make Leia the Chosen One in a literal sense, he just wanted to make the Galaxy see Leia as the Chosen One, the one who restored order in the Galaxy and restored democracy, leading the Senate and the Republic into a new era of prosperity. So, Leia was not meant to be the Chosen One in a literal sense, but a figurative sense.

 

Anakin brought balance by removing the cause of the current imbalance. Luke brought balance by reviving its guardians. Leia brought balance by restoring peace and unity.
Her actions were the final step; the move that sealed the deal, so to speak.

Ultimately, they were all Chosen Ones.

 

So basically they are the Star Wars version of The Holy Trinity?

I like that but there is one big problem...

If Anakin purpose was to destroy the Sith does Darth Maul or any Sith in GL's ST mess that up?

 

Haha, that's an interesting way of putting it.
I guess that would be accurate in a way.

Well, the return of Maul would show us that the Sith could always return one way or another. Anakin did put an end to the original Sith line either way, though. Maul would represent a restart, or a reforging, so to speak.

 

The GL ST could've gone the Star Wars: Rebels route of having Maul reject the Sith.

 

Not at all.

 

Han Solo: "that's not how Christian Theology works"

 

I don't mean literally but if you have three being the Chosen One well it's a trinity. The father, the son, and the daughter.

 

He didn't mean the "chosen one" of Jedi prophecy destined to bring balance to the Force (that's Anakin), but that she would be the elected "chosen one" to restore the Republic as Supreme Chancellor.

 

To me Anakin is too but let's say if Lucas elaborated on this and made it clear he planned to change who the Chosen One is or make it whole Skywalker family (or at least Anakin, Luke, and Leia). How would you feel about it?

 

I never cared much for any "chosen one", never mind if it's Anakin, Luke or Leia. This whole "prophecy" thing belongs more in Dune than SW. That's where the concept came from after all. The OT did well without that theme. And I think the prequels would have worked just as well.

 

Eh, while I think it could've been done differently and better, in story, I think it itself adds a conclusiveness and larger point to what Vader does in ROTJ.

 

Sure, it could be interpreted as serving a larger purpose. On the other hand, you don't need to be "chosen" in order to become a better person, or, in Vader's case, reject evil and choose to do good instead of bad things. In his case, the deciding factor was Luke himself, his caring for his father regardless of what he had done, not some ancient Jedi prophecy; which, in my impression he never even believed himself. After all, do we ever hear Anakin claiming to be "chosen"? Not that I remember. It was always only Obi-Wan, Yoda, Windu etc.

 

I think that's an assumption on the nature of destiny. I think of destiny as happening as a result of someone's choices, not as contrary to our God-given free will.

 

As with most of the ideas Lucas developed for the ST, I don't really agree with it. I don't think it's an organic continuation of the first six episodes.

Of course, as always, the execution matters more than abstract ideas, so it's hard to know how exactly would that translate into the movies.

 

How do you figure that? Consider the following:
1) The interview in question very deliberately had him saying "the Chosen One." "The" and capitalized "Chosen One." In the context of Star Wars saga, there is only one meaning of "the Chosen One," and it's definitely not that of an elected official. Unless Paul Duncan made a mistake and typed it that way, thus deliberately misleading all of us But still, it's weird of George to use this exact phrasing, which is pretty much reserved for the prophecy;
2) Remember the Yoda's Journey arc. The Force Priestesses told Yoda that he will teach the one who will save the universe from great imbalance. Which is why they agreed to teach him and let him pass the trials. We know that Luke was never the one who saved the universe from great imbalance, he was never the Chosen One, he did not destroy the Sith, and Yoda learning how to become a Force ghost really never had anything to do with him teaching Luke. He taught Luke in person. The only time Yoda appeared as a ghost was in the very end of Episode VI. What was the last thing the Priestesses showed him? The last words he would say before his death: "There is another Skywalker." Which, as we know, referred to Leia;
3) Maul and Darth Talon were around in George's ST. And they are, for all intents and purposes, Sith. And through their actions they would, without a doubt, cause imbalance. Maul not being Darth anymore doesn't really change anything, as he was from the original Bane-Palpatine line of teaching. He carries the Sith teachings with him (taught to him by Palpatine himself), and he still adheres to the Rule of Two — which is why he got himself another apprentice, Darth Talon.

Now, with all that in mind, it seems to follow that Yoda as a Force Ghost would teach Leia in George's ST, and she would be instrumental in defeating Maul and Talon, thus finally bringing balance to the Force, which is why Lucas called her "the Chosen One" — I doubt that he just used that term as a substitute for an elected political official, which honestly makes little sense and just causes confusion. Now that all seems pretty plausible, considering that Leia being "another one" never really got any pay off in the OT.

Of course, we are all making these assumptions based on that little interview snippet from the Archives book. In that very interview, he also said that it would be a story about grandchildren, and he never elaborated how exactly the grandchildren would play into it all. He just said that Maul and Talon are around with the criminal Underworld, Luke would rebuild the Jedi Order, and Leia would restore the Republic and "end up being the Chosen One."

The reality is such that Lucas wrote himself into the corner with the Chosen One prophecy, and there can be no story after Episode VI — because, like he'd said many times, he never thought of one at the time. Like he said, paraphrasing, "The Emperor doesn't get cloned, Vader doesn't return, Luke doesn't get married... The entire story was nothing more than the tragedy of Darth Vader, that's where the story ends." He did not want to make movies anymore after Episode III, and he was focused only on The Clone Wars and Underworld. It seems that the idea for the ST came around when he was making later seasons The Clone Wars. And any idea that involved the Sith — which GL's ideas did — would inevitably contradict, and thus retcon what he'd established previously: either validity of the prophecy in general, or Anakin being the one who fulfills it. Since GL said that Leia "ended up being the Chosen One," he decided that Anakin wasn't the one to fulfill it for good, but Leia.

 

I figured that because of the context of the conversation, and because Lucas himself confirmed in that very same book, in conversation with Paul Duncan, that Anakin is the Chosen One.

There is a Chosen One from the prophecy in the story, and there is the Chosen One as a motif (to which the former also belongs to). The latter is what's being referred to.

That Yoda arc reiterates the fact that Anakin is the prophesied Chosen One. Remember that what the Priestesses were discussing was why Yoda should learn how to retain his identity after death. To which they conclude that he should learn that because he's going to teach the one who will save the universe from the great imbalance: Anakin. In other words, Yoda should learn how to retain his identity because he's going to teach that to Anakin (in the future). Which is why Anakin is able to appear as a Force spirit at the end of ROTJ. Because Yoda and Obi-Wan helped him and taught him how after his death. It's an idea that Lucas had also revealed in the past:

"Obi-Wan and Yoda have learned how to join the Force at will and then retain their individuality once they are part of the Force, which is unusual. And that's the key to their being able to come back. It's their connection to Anakin and his being saved and resurrected at the end that allows them to have him, when he dies as Darth Vader, to be transferred back into the self he was before he was killed- or maimed- by Obi-Wan Kenobi, before he made his transition into Darth Vader.
But it's only those who are trained in these special ways of the Whills that can move to the Force, give themselves up completely - their physical self up completely - and transcend into a being of the Force with their individuality intact." - George Lucas

"The one who ultimately finds out the way to do it is Qui-Gon Jinn. He teaches Yoda. Yoda teaches Obi-Wan. And then, Obi-Wan and Yoda together, at the end, help the old Anakin Skywalker come back and keep his individuality while he's part of the Force." - George Lucas

"As [Anakin] joins the Force, he is able to retain his original identity. It's because of Obi-Wan and Yoda, who learned how to do that: how to join the Force at will and then retain your identity. But it was his identity as he was when he died as Anakin Skywalker." - George Lucas

The reason why the Priestesses showed him, at the end of his trials, his last words is not because of the content of those words, but because that's the moment in the future where he will join the Force at will, the very thing he's there being tested for.

 

But why is it so important to teach Anakin this after he has died?
Anakin did what he was supposed to, kill Palpatine. His work is done.
Learning to retain his identity after death at that point seems unimportant.
Unless Anakin was supposed to pass some knowledge along to someone else.
As is now, Yoda does this so that Anakin can appear and smile to his son, Nice but hardly super important.

Obi-Wan did things after his death so him learning this was important. But unless Anakin had more to do after death, then him learning this seems of little importance. Unless it is a "reward" for Anakin.

Bye.
Old Stoneface.

 

Ah, yes. I forgot about that. You're right. But I still don't feel like Lucas should have used this exact phrasing in regards to Leia, then.

But how would you explain Maul and Darth Talon being around? It explicitly contradicts the very purpose of the prophecy, no? Which is that the Chosen One will destroy the Sith. Even if Maul hasn't really been "formally" a Darth ever since the Clone Wars, he is still very much a Sith from the original Sith "line" that went all the way from Darth Bane to Sidious, who trained Maul. He is consumed by the Dark Side, he embodies and carries the Sith teachings, which he passed onto Darth Talon. How would you explain that?

 

Because Anakin does appears at the end of ROTJ, even though he doesn't know how nor is he even aware of such ability as established in ANH. Is your question why is it important that Anakin managed to retain his spirit at the end of ROTJ?

If nothing else, for thematic reasons. And by implication (from the precedent set by Obi-Wan and Yoda) to offer whatever guidance to his son in the future.

I don't think there's a contradiction from the limited information we have. From what Lucas has revealed so far, Maul and Talon were more crime lords than anything else. Besides, the scope of whatever criminal underworld managed to exist under the Empire is comparatively small in the grand scheme of things.

 

Not if he didn’t kill Palpatine and Sith. And then some jazz has to happen where another Jedi goes to some force realm called Exegol and then all the Force Ghosts can work together there through this other Jedi so then and only like that once and for all destroy Darth Sidious and all the Sith.

 

But none of that was Lucas’ intention

 

No, I have no problem with Anakin appearing at the end of RotJ. But my question is why does the Force think it so vital that Anakin learn this ability after he has died?
To be more clear, I am asking about the In-Universe reason. What you mention are mostly out-of-universe, thematic reasons, show Luke and the audience Anakin again.

But it seems, based on what people said here, that the Force told Yoda that it is super important that Yoda trains Anakin to do this. But why? Anakin has done what he was there to do, kill Palpatine and thus bring balance to the Force. His job was done. Giving him an extra ability now seems of little importance.

Consider, if Obi-Wan did not know how to do this, would this impact the events of the OT? Yes, a lot.
In ANH, Obi-Wan might not have let Vader kill him. Given his situation, him getting away alive is unlikely. So say he dies. No Obi-Wan to talk with Luke during the DS attack and Luke might not be able to blow up the DS. Even if he does, how would he get to Yoda? So this ability came into play a fair bit.
But take Anakin and if he lacked this ability, what would the impact be on the OT?
Minor, all that would change is that Luke would only see Yoda and Obi-Wan at the end, no Anakin.
Other than that, no change.

So if the Force felt it was vital that Anakin learn this after he died, then it would mean that the Force wanted Anakin to do something more after his death. Pass something on, be there for Luke or Leia.
But what was that thing? And why could only Anakin do this?

Bye.
Old Stoneface