Ahsoka Ahsoka Episode 1.04 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Rogues1138 post was still hard to understand. You can sympathize with Sabine and Baylan without being Ahsoka-hater though. It's bit too early to judge Baylan though since we are not told what is his plan really, he is obviously bad guy though, but I think competent bad guys are good thing in stories. Rooting for Ahsoka in the end though. I want bad guys to be competent so that good guys winning actually feels like an achievement. It's not like I want to see them win in the end, but I like it to be exciting fight.

 

The argument is that some may not necessarily be rooting for Ahsoka. Tbh, up until this episode, I actually did like Sabine in the LA form; even moreso than I did with her silly, quirky character in the animated series. She's obviously far more mature and acts like she's got a tremendous weight on her shoulders. It's not always about blowing things up anymore or spray painting a Tie Fighter. The betrayal was frustrating, not so much because it felt like a stab in the back for Ahsoka, but because outside of some hints here and there in the dialogue, we don't exactly know why she doesn't trust Ahsoka with heart and soul. Those gaps have yet to be filled, IMO.

 

Anecdotally, I have noticed some online chatter where people who were down on the first three episodes were much more positive on episode 4, but I’m reluctant to paint with a wide brush. From a purely narrative standpoint, I think you could say episode 4 has more drama Sabine, she has that crucial choice. It also has the best lightsaber fight by far, Ahsoka vs Baylan is awesome and Rosario’s best action-work. It’s just a very good episode and better than previous ones, imo.

As to the criticisms of Ahsoka and Sabine, yes there is the usual “mary sue” stuff, but also that performances have been subdued and that the show hasn’t done enough to make Sabine likeable. She is in a somewhat depressed state when we meet her, so even there I can see why people might feel turned off by it.

Which is all to say, I’m sure there has been some “hate watch” energy going around, but I think it’s probably a relatively minor element.

 

This is the perfect response, because I could also see Owen Lars' face while reading it
I have to ask if it was intentional on your part now! So good.

 

Just referring to the betrayal alone, it only seemed somewhat contrived that early in the episode we see Ahsoka giving Sabine the speech about potentially having to let go of Ezra for the greater good; and yet maybe a half hour or so later in the same episode she completely ignores that advice. At least for me, the ending would've been slightly less predictable if Ahsoka had given that advice in a prior episode.

 

The poll, for some inexplicable reason, does not have a choice for 100/10. Hopefully that will be remedied.

Nevertheless, an easy 10/10.
-Sabine's turn was surprising, yet more convincing than Anakin's turn in RotS. Yeah, I just said that.
-I really want to know if Sabine partially blames Ahsoka for her family's death during the Night of a Thousand Tears? Sabine does say that Ahsoka doesn't always come when she's needed.
-I'm doubting that Anakin is actually in the WBW. I think it's the Dark Side pretending to be Anakin in an attempt to deceive Ahsoka.

Cannot wait to see what happens next!

 

I never understood why so many viewers revolve their assessment of a show based on…the title. The title does not = the story. That advice should be included in pre-viewing guidance to all audiences.

 

I think the reason episode 4 is so liked is because of the conflict, both internal (Sabine choosing to go along with the bad guys,) and external, (Ahsoka being beaten in a duel by Baylan.) It's that conflict that makes a story interesting. Something similar happened at the end of TESB when Vader beat down Luke emotionally and physically.

I love how Baylan uses that Sith technique (forget what it's called) of basically ****-talking his opponent during a duel to get inside their head.

Also, when are we gonna see Zeb? I knew they probably weren't going to use him much in this series because he's a CGI character and the budget and all, but they missed an opportunity to have him cameo in this ep. Hera, Chopper, and Jacen in the Ghost going to assist Sabine and Ahsoka along with members of the Phoenix Squadron? Why didn't Zeb go along too? They could've just shown a brief shot of him in the Ghost's nose gun or something, maybe say a line or two. Ah well, maybe we'll see him later in the series at some point I hope.

 

Interesting. While this episode was substantively a lot meatier, dramatically, than the first three, I thought Filoni’s and Green’s direction was generally better than Ramsay’s.

 

I think people want to say there is a 2nd season planned. Like people want to say a 2nd season of every show is planned. But i think Filoni will start work on his movie after Mando series 3. So that makes Ahsoka season 2 unlikely IMO. But then the chances of Ahsoka being in the Filoni movie are extreeemly high anyway

 

The Mandalorian was based on Din and...the Mandolorians he comes across
TBOBF was based on Boba
Ahsoka is based on the search for Thrawn and Ezra. That makes sense?

 

Whilst I get where you're coming from, many fans (even die hard fans of Boba Fett) thought TBOBF was a difficult watch. Quantity certainly does not equate to quality... not even for the fans of the character. By not giving Ahsoka lots of background in the show, I think it's made her more accessible for general audiences (especially those unfamiliar with TCWC). I assume that's kind of what Dave was going for i.e. just being dropped into a story where the story itself gets you up to speed with whom the characters are. And I think that's worked pretty well so far. I'd also posit that whilst it is indeed *the* Ahsoka show, like the best of Star Wars, it's a very strong ensemble piece. Ahsoka is the main character, even if the screen time is shared by very strong supporting characters. The plot of ANH revolved around saving the princess and the Death Star plans, but Luke was still the central character right?

 

Well no one needs to root out for good guys if they don't want to, but in stories like these good guys usually win in the end so it's their loss really. Let haters hate I guess and people can have different opinions without need to fight over who is right.

I think this episode had some interesting plot twists and I liked them a lot. Conflict between Sabine and Ahsoka went surprisingly far with Sabine betraying her and going against her advice. But for a good reason. Seems to me Sabine is not convinced by jedi philosophy and since Ahsoka was defeated (and could have died) her decision was understandable knowing how much she cares about Ezra. Ironic thing is that Ahsoka used to be rebel for all the same reasons and didn't listen to advice of her olders.

Sabine in LA has been very different, but mature isn't the word I would use. She is depressed, lonely, but many ways just as childish as before. Now just she doesn't get away easily of every situation since she doesn't have her "rebel family" with her.

Ahsoka and Sabine's relationship could've been explored bit better though. It's somewhat confusing what has happened between them.

 

Well its harder for Boba fett because Boba Fett is a fairly pop cultural character going back to 1980. So People are gonna judge boba fett based on higher expectations anyway. While with the rebels characters, people won't judge them half as much. infact they might even give them a chance because there are no expectations on who they are OR who they should be.

Although i seen some people now say Dawson isn't good as Ahsoka because she is... different to how she was in the animated shows. Which like Boba fett was likely very intentional.

 

The Mandalorian was about a Mandalorian protecting a kid, Book of Boba was about Boba providing water to his people, and Ahsoka is about Ahsoka finding Thrawn and Ezra. So yup. It’s consistent.

 

iirc, all the title characters of the previous shows, Mando, Boba, Obi-wan, and Cassian, all had a bigger share of screen time in their pilots than Ahsoka did in hers. Maybe Obi-wan was about the same or less. So yeah, I can understand how the titles of these shows do set expectations and Ahsoka has somewhat undershot.

 

I don’t hate Ahsoka. She’s a top 15 character for me. But have I liked her depiction in this show? Not as much. I liked this episode in part because I liked Ahsoka more not in spite of it.

 

We're all welcome to our own interpretations and each should be respected. I didn't see it coming at all.

I agree it was surprising and the theory of her blaming Ahsoka is interesting. Now, on the WBW (what a shock) I think Ahsoka will start to turn (for the better) and learn something of dealing w/a Padawan from Anakin.

 

Book of Boba Fett was sometimes about Mandalorian getting a new fighter or Luke training Grogu. So it didn't really have good focus.

 

some people of Mos Espa are probably still waiting for water due to slow delivery service

 

Book of boba Fett lost focus because it decided to do something completely different for two episodes for a different show

 

Man, they put one and a half episodes of an entirely a different show in BoBF and made the title character the biggest doofus in the galaxy. I think Ashoka fans have comparatively little to gripe about with her characterization.

 

Book of Boba was so disappointing I still feel depressed even talking about it. Same with Obi-Wan show and TROS.

And those episodes were still the best of the show. I did like the train robbery too though. But most of the show was disappointing.