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Ahsoka Shin Hati

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by Kato Sai, Apr 8, 2023.

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  1. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    But she tried to choke Sabine two episodes ago. No. I am still of the mind that if anything it’s going to be Shin who becomes the big bad force bad guy
     
  2. The Togruta Jedi

    The Togruta Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don’t follow spoilers so there’s that. So I definitely can’t tell you
     
  3. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    No. Right before the episode I said I gave it a 10% chance of Ezra appearing

    @A Chorus of Disapproval I’ll sweeten the pot and actually bet something. I am so confident Baylan will not die this season I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. If Baylan dies I will tell you.
     
  4. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    He really needs to hurry the hell up and stop standing and soliloquizing about his plan and begin actively seeking it. It sucks to type this but Ray Stevenson only has 2 episodes left.
     
  5. The Togruta Jedi

    The Togruta Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    How about you have to change your avatar to whatever Chorus wants and you can’t post here for 1 month [face_laugh]
    @Jedi Knight Fett
     
  6. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    You know that’s close to what I was about to say. But not so harsh. I was going to say he could temp ban me for 3 days and he gets to change my avatar to whatever for 2 months.

    I don’t think I could go without posting for 3 days lol.

    You don’t have to even do anything on your part @A Chorus of Disapproval you can’t lose.

    I am extremely confident I will not lose though. And I don’t even know any leaks on the subject (plus even if I did previous leaks have been proven wrong)
     
  7. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    Shin was surprisingly worried about Sabine.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Thrawn082

    Thrawn082 Force Ghost star 6

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    The Shin/Sabine dynamic is surprisingly interesting and I hope they take it in a fun direction.
     
  9. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    "More witches" was hilarious.
     
  10. ShinSkywalker

    ShinSkywalker Jedi Padawan star 1

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    It's such a tragedy. I think watching this episode, spending more time with the two of them alone, it's even more heartbreaking because those two actors seemed to have a real camaraderie and were doing an incredible job of portraying a rhythm to their dynamic. Every single line and look between them screams of this history, care and trust they share currently, and have shared throughout their time together.

    If Baylan does survive this season it's going to be a real challenge for them to rekindle that kind of deep and layered dynamic with another actor. Ray Stevenson is such a standout in this show. Obviously it goes so much further than Star Wars but he has been beyond a perfect fit in the GFFA.

    Even Baylan couldn't hide his disdain for them this episode haha.
     
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  11. Jozgar

    Jozgar Jedi Master star 3

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    I’m sure the shippers’ mouths are watering at the thought of another enemies-to-lovers scenario.
     
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  12. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    I have a feeling that Shin is Baylan’s daughter, but Shin was killed. And Baylan went to the Nightsisters to have her resurrected. And that’s why he works with Morgan. “Well paid.” Not sure of this. But as a twist, it would be sufficiently set up by Marrok’s end and perhaps next the undead troopers.
     
  13. Sproj

    Sproj Jedi Master star 4

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    It would also explain why she seems to know so little about anything and the confusion with Baylan's taking to Sabine too.
     
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  14. ShinSkywalker

    ShinSkywalker Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I’m not sure I like that theory myself because I think it robs her of her own autonomy and makes a lot of her character feel like a sham. Her personality/motivations are just nothing but a subversion to further what? Baylan’s loss? I think his loss is already sufficient enough. His payment to me is transport to this new Galaxy. Whatever that power he’s searching for is enough for him in my mind.

    I also think it’s just a bit of a step too far to have her be an unmasked reanimated corpse who is force sensitive. I don’t love that precedent.

    However, I can see the reasons to think that it’s possible in the text itself so I guess we’ll see if you’re right. I just personally am not a fan at all :)
     
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  15. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    I think Shin Hati will turn on Baylan Skoll. He keeps things hidden from and dont tell her anything. She is little frustated, she hates the witches, and is wanting power with Thrawn.
     
  16. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    A power only one has achieved. Morher****er the nightsister do it on the daily
     
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  17. Happy Sando

    Happy Sando Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, she could do with something at this point, no matter what that something turns out to be. I hate to be so negative (because even at its worst, this show is glorious) but she's the least-interesting component of an increasingly crowded story. She needs to justify her presence, or leave.
     
  18. ShinSkywalker

    ShinSkywalker Jedi Padawan star 1

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    She’s also searching for belonging. I don’t think she wants to be some outcast with only Baylan by her side anymore. Even when he brings up Ezra she tries to involve herself as part of a group, but Baylan immediately shuts her down.

    Baylan wants to be free of the Jedi and shackles of a group setting because he’s experienced that.

    Shin never has. And I think she’s seeking that in some ways.
     
  19. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    I still don’t see her coming back to the light.
     
  20. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Who to say she is not in the light, she is not in the dark. Is she between.
     
  21. devilinthedetails

    devilinthedetails Fiendish Fanfic & SWTV Manager, Tech Admin star 6 Staff Member Administrator

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    I personally don't see there being much need for a big revelation involving Shin's identity or a twist where she has been dead all along or even for her to suddenly betray Baylan or to have a redemption arc where she becomes a run-of-the-mill Jedi.

    After the first two episodes, I observed that Shin reminded me a good deal of TPM Maul. I still feel that way. There is this ferocity and borderline bestiality about her when she fights just like Maul. And just like Maul in TPM, she is more of a supporting villain after Baylan, the Nightsisters, and Thrawn much as Maul was more of the supporting villain after Sidious and the Trade Federation. Also, just like Sidious speaking to Maul was a way for the audience to learn more about Sidious's plans, so too are Baylan's dialogues with Shin Hati throughout the show a way for Baylan's intentions and motivations to be revealed. Maul in TPM didn't need a redemption arc, a revelation that he was a reanimated corpse all along, to betray Sidious, or to have a redemption arc. It was enough that he look cool and be fierce in his fights. That is what Shin has been, in my opinion. She caught my eye for the aesthetics of her character since the first trailers were released involving her, and she has been very intense and brutal in her fights. The TPM Maul was enough to sell copies of his lightsabers and T-shirts to kids like my brother, and Shin as she is has already been enough to attract fans of her own in my opinion. She doesn't necessarily have to go beyond what we have seen from her in my view.

    She doesn't look at all like Baylan. If anything, she looks more like Morgan Elsbeth than she does like Baylan. So if she were to be related to anyone, I'd rather it be to the Nightsisters of Dathomir. We know that the Nightsisters are Force sensitive, so that could explain Shin's Force sensitivity, And if she has some of that Nightsister blood in her, that could explain why Baylan took her as his apprentice and has now brought her to this strange world from which the Nightsisters originally came. Maybe there is something that she can do on this world because of her Nightsister blood that Baylan is interested in.

    That being said, I certainly don't think she has to be related to Baylan or to anyone else. Just like we didn't need a big plot reveal that Obi-Wan was related to Qui-Gon, Anakin was related to Obi-Wan, or Ahsoka was related to Anakin. There is a Master and apprentice dynamic and legacy that Baylan and Shin are clearly drawing on both with how they relate to each other and with visual cues like Shin's braid. A legacy and dyanmic that isn't biological in nature and that has been referenced frequently both in marketing leading up to the show's release and in the show itself.

    Because the relationship between Shin and Baylan apart from reminding me a good deal of the one between Maul and Sidious in TPM also calls to mind for me the TPM dynamic between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. Our first introduction to Shin and Baylan when they board the New Republic ship very much echoes and mirrors Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon's arrival on the Trade Federation vessel (before it takes a dark turn with Baylan asserting that they aren't Jedi). There is also quite a bit of formality to the relationship between Shin and Baylan, and Shin tends to defer to and obey Baylan in the same way that Obi-Wan usually abides by Qui-Gon's decisions and follows his commands. Both Obi-Wan and Shin also ask quite a few questions of their Masters (and sometimes their questions seem a subtle way of disagreeing with their Masters or questioning their Masters judgment without outright saying so) and indulge in dry wit to make their points with their Masters and with others. And it wouldn't be a surprise, given the fate of the actor who plays Baylan, if Baylan were to die at some point just like Qui-Gon did in TPM, and in that case, I could see Shin taking up the mantle of what she perceives to be his legacy just like Obi-Wan promises to train Anakin when Qui-Gon is dying. I see a lot parallels between Shin and Obi-Wan both in terms of their personalities and their relationships with their Masters, basically. So, I think she might very well slot into that role of faithful apprentice who might be a bit sarcastic and dubious about things but ultimately is committed to following the Master's legacy should the Master die. Just like Obi-Wan did.

    I'm just very tempted to dig back to TPM to understand Shin and her relationship with Baylan because marketing for this show did reach that far back in its emphasis on Master and apprentice relationships, and Shin and Baylan are a part of that legacy as much as Ahsoka and Anakin and Ahsoka and Sabine. Maybe even more than Ahsoka and Sabine since the dynamic between them seems more traditional than the one between Ahsoka and Sabine and they seem to have been together for many years unlike Ahsoka and Sabine who only recently reunited and then had a sharp divergence of their plans and objectives due to lack of trust.
     
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  22. Master Jedi Fixxxer

    Master Jedi Fixxxer Force Ghost star 5

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    Even Luke has used Force choke on a Gamorrean (!), that doesn't necessarily mean a lot.

    Between Parts 1-5 I was trying to figure out Shin Hati a bit more.

    Now I am certain that she is starting to question her master's disgust about the Jedi, and she is starting to connect the dots, which is basically that her Master doesn't hate the Jedi.... he just has PTSD from the entire Jedi Temple massacre and everything that followed. So he vehemently opposes anything that has to do with the Jedi, yet at the same time he feels compassion for them, and does not want them killed. Shin Hati is able to observe all these things, and is now thinking that "well maybe the Jedi are not that bad", since she was asking him if he misses the days at the Jedi Temple. Perhaps a part of her would like to restore how things were in the past for the Jedi, and avoid making the same mistakes. She DOES have the Padawan braid.

    I won't be mad at all if she changes allegiance. In fact, I hope she does. It would be far more believable and earned than Reva in Kenobi IMO.

    You know, if he were to join the Sith, I feel that he should be called Darth Soliloquitous (pronounced as if it rhymes with coitus).
     
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  23. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Not saying she's necessarily a zombie. But she may have been raised from the dead. And perhaps a part of her stayed dead.
     
  24. ShinSkywalker

    ShinSkywalker Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I mean that’s quite literally what it would be though, unless they are to introduce some new form of resurrection which is, again, a bit of a step too far for me.

    I just always feel that when you put a plot twist before character, you weaken your story. This would inherently make everything with her up until this point far less interesting in and of itself, her only existence in the plot is to serve as extra trauma for Baylan. ‘A part of her stayed dead’, I mean why introduce that, why not just have this be the character and let her grow naturally from this point of dependence? It’s already understandable as is and letting their history be a mystery right now is part of why they’ve been fan favourites in my eyes.

    I’m definitely biased on the matter, I don’t doubt that. I just fundamentally feel that doing that twist when you’ve already done it for Marrok and are likely doing again for the Night Troopers in the same way is just too much. And again I can only speak for myself but I’ll be extremely disappointed if her purpose is just to be what I feel is a cheap plot twist to further establish the nightsisters’ powers and Baylan’s guilt. Both of those are well established without it, and just take a really interesting character basically off the board/weaken that character as a whole.
     
  25. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yes, Shin is going to become part of the gang, and Baylan is going to destroy himself.
     
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