Ahsoka Ahsoka Episode 1.08 (SEASON FINALE!!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I can see that. But I haven't watched TCW consistently since 2020 when I finished Season 7. Rebels I haven't watched since 2020, either. That's a long time for me. But I still enjoyed it.

The Thrawn thing I can get. Did you read the Thrawn books by Zahn? He has a tight-rope balancing act in his new works. He's trying to balance the old EU Thrawn with the a-tad-more ruthless Thrawn of the new canon, but he got it down. In the old EU, Zahn was trying to make Thrawn have enough time to breathe in the original trilogy of novels and the prequels and midquel stories. But this new Thrawn, you really have to watch Rebels and read Zahn's balancing act take on him to get it in some ways. Even without it, I liked Mikkelsen's take on the character. I liked how Thrawn was willing to work with Enoch, the Mothers, and anyone to eliminate threats. I call new canon Thrawn a bit more Sith-like in his approach. Old canon Thrawn could be manipulative and ruthless, but Thrawn is willing to change tactics more often and readily than he was I the old canon, I think...and that's a tricky thing to do. Mikkelsen was definitely the right actor to pull it off. Thrawn had to adjust his style to whoever was in front of him, and it was impressive to me. In real life, some generals and admirals struggle with that, I told by those who are more well-informed than me on it.

 

As someone who totally loved The Courtship of Princess Leia I am kind of disappointed that the Witches weren't brought over as the were in Legends. Witches as good guys and Nightsisters as Witches who fell to the Darkside.

 

I certainly appreciate those kind remarks of a video I created so long ago!

 

We don’t know they didn’t hug. They may have after the scene ended.

Also, this is fast becoming one of the most annoying fan complaints since the Chewie didn’t hug Leia uproar.

 

It's really odd. People don't appreciate the mood and pacing of the things they're watching. It's like they're detaching themselves from the experience as they're experiencing it. Or they never immerse themselves to begin with.
But hey, different strokes for different folks. Thankfully, we can always ignore complaints that don't make sense to us.

 

I was being sarcastic. Lol. I know that JJ and Johnson don't do that. May I make audio recordings to make it clear? My late wife joked like this all the time about Johnson and JJ because it was her way of saying that they were lazy. And she could go Ahsoka on a hater with two pink softball bats, TCF. Lol. Our gf and me and couldn't stop giggling at the memory of the Ep saying that in October 2020. So funny. It was her way of comparing their laziness to a certain politician's lethargy...because he was high as balls when he wanted to kiss men and women at his rallies. That's how silly Johnson was in his depiction of Kylo and Rey, and that's how...out there JJ was in his depiction of TROS scenes. Made about as much sense as this.

"Look at that guy how handsome he is! I'll kiss him! Not with a lot of enjoyment, but that's okay."

"What do you think of that, blossom?"
- me

"He's high as balls. But so was Johnson when he wrote Kylo. Must have been in love with his Swole self, too."
- Eponym

 

Or, the film/show does not hook them, it does not engage them.

If you have seen TCW/Rebels and know these characters and are invested in them, then seeing more of their adventures is easy to get involved in.

However, if you have not seen these and most of the characters in Ashoka are new to you and you have no prior knowledge or investment in them. Then the questions becomes, does the show make you care?
If the writer makes the show with the assumption that everyone in the audience is already familiar with the characters then he/she might not make it easy for new viewers to get invested.

For me, I had seen Ashoka in Mando but otherwise I was not really invested in the character. Most of the rest I had not seen before. So the intended emotion did not always work, because for ex I did not see two characters that I already liked meeting again. I saw one character that I knew little of meeting a character that I had never seen before.

All the hints, nods and winks to other stuff had no impact as I did not know what that was. It was clear that the show was going "Hey, here is this thing from this other show, isn't it neat?" But that fell flat for me.
Plus a bunch of stuff just happened with no explanation. Guy that is killed and turns to smoke, what was that?

Ashoka is not bad, it is ok/fine but I feel that I was not the intended audience. I had the same feeling when watching Book of Boba Fett when suddenly we got Mando season 2,5 and I had not finished season 2 of Mando yet. And throwing in black hat guy.

Lastly, something I felt was a bit lacking was stakes. Sabine got stabbed with a lightsaber in the first ep and survived that, no problem. In the last ep, the good guys survive against quite bad odds, no problem.
Thrawn gets back but Ashoka seems to view that as no big deal. At the start of ep 8, they move quite slowly along with the turtle people and their ship was working fine. So were they in a hurry or not?
Sabine and Ezra never talk about her siding with the bad guys, in effect undoing his sacrifice. Thus making that seem like no big deal. Missed opportunity to me.

Bye for now.
Old Stoneface

 

I respect that, but we're talking about slightly different things. My post was in response to what Bor Mullet said and concerns people who do engage with the show but have odd complaints.

 

Why do we feel this show has failed to bring in the casual fans? Too nuanced with all the rebels required watching to fully understand it?

I saw where this show is well below Mando 2 from a viewership standpoint according to Nielson numbers.

 

AHSOKA works fine on its own. I believe one contributing factor, though, is that shows centered on female characters tend to attract less viewers than those centered on male characters. Especially if the title character is relatively or completely unknown to the general public. As famous as Ahsoka is in Star Wars Land, she's not anywhere near the level of Luke, Leia, Vader etc.
People are simply less inclined to invest in a series about this "new" female character because of systemic and individual prejudice. Ratings are also affected by this.
Now, AHSOKA still has a lot going for it and is popular. Also, other factors do of course affect viewership. But people's attitudes toward different genders is definitely a factor.

 

Gender and race are always issues for the narrow-minded and that always affects ratings. Let's not pretend that this isn't a thing.
Also, let's not pretend that I said it is "THE issue" when I clearly, unambiguously, stated that several factors affect ratings.

 

I think bad press from the sequels and Mando s3 I the biggest reason Star Wars appears to be declining

 

Doubtful, just some shows and movies dont appeal to them.

 

You think it’s doubtful that poor reviews are having an effect on the public opinion and enthusiasm?

 

They dont poor reviews, mixed yes. But also good. I dont think its a decline of the Franchise

 

Where would you like to start? I can think of at least a dozen reasons why casual fans would not be hooked.

 

Do tell please?

Star Wars needed a hit here, and it didn’t seem to happen.

 

This was for hardcore fans and not casuals. Big fantasy.

 

Quick comment,

I looked at some reviews from people, that left reviews from the start, middle and end.
And I came across some that did like the series at first, a lot even, loved ep 4-5 but then felt the last two were a step down.

An ending that does not quite stick the landing can leave a series with a more mixed reaction even if the start was seen as quite good.
I have seen that here, some felt the last two ep were not as good as the earlier ones.

Bye for now.
Blackboard Monitor

 

I believe I misunderstood your post. Sorry about that!