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Gotta say, if the writers just forgot about Kang and moved on with some other big bad, I wouldn't be upset.

 

You hire John David Washington, make it a big deal, do all the rounds in the press, fan event presentations, talk show discussions about the revitalized plan for the current round of movies, the works, have the all-new Kang finally appear in the stinger of I dunno Captain America V: The Quest for More Reliable Box Office Returns or whatever… whereupon he is immediately and unceremoniously jobbed out to Doctor Doom. Smash cut to a giant 4. There, I did it, I made it interesting.

 

Thanos will return again just a matter of time, they can explain his return as being the true Thanos not the one that got beat at Endgame LOL

 

Not for nothing, but Dr. Doom is conceptually at least as dumb as Kang. Moreso, in fact. The only real lessons here are:

1. Don’t let your primary antagonist get killed by a literal ant
2. Hope is actor isn’t convicted of domestic violence.

 

Kang is a threat because his presence in the timeline leads to multiversal war and the destruction of the entire multiverse. Whether or not you find that interesting is up to you but his threat level has clearly been established in the MCU.

 

Kang is about 1000 times dumber than literally everything else in comics including that one Golden Age superhero who solved every problem by throwing dynamite at something. You’re just wrong.

 

I will say that Doctor Doom looks cooler, has a more interesting personality, and a combination of magic and tech along with political power is interesting and could reunite the Strange/Wanda/MoonKnight/BlackKnight/Blade, IronMan/BlackPanther, and CaptAmerica/Falcon/etc storylines that have diverged. If he gets the powers of the Beyonder then he becomes a Cosmic threat and can draw in the Marvels, Guardians, and Thor too.

That storyline has already been done now.

And a fundamental problem with the multiverse storyline is that there are no real stakes. If one Kang emerges victorious then the Loki cycle will repeat. If characters die, there's always variants.

Anyways, that storyline is done.

 

No it hasn’t.

 

He Who Remains is dead. Kang is not dead. He also didn't have his time manipulation abilities in the Quantum Realm. Also there's this reason.



Plus thousands more. Also, they might enlist evil versions of the heroes, like Superior Strange and the Maestro.

 

I'm sure they'll stubbornly find a way... but Loki Season 2 wraps up the Kang storyline nicely. You can wrap-up the Multiverse story (how is the question) without Kang.

As I said, at this point, Kang is just a Loki TV show villain, with a variant also appearing in Ant-Man. Being defeated everywhere.

Kang of Ant-Man 3 very, very likely died... even more likely since firing Majors, and the box office result of that movie. Even if the stories with Kang continue, that can continue without that variant.




And I'll repeat:

Spoil me with comic stuff. What exactly is interesting about Kang's character/plot arcs?

Thanos had the collection of the gems, the infinity gauntlet, and killing half of all life.

Kang... wants to rule? Has more advanced Iron Man tech, it seems. Does multiverse stuff, like many other multiverse villains.

 

It's the definition of this word "clearly" that seems to be forming a division in this thread...

Wocky summed it up. If supposedly "powerful" iterations of Kang already died (ant Ant-Man 3's was pretty lame), why should we care about the character? He doesn't seem that powerful at all. He hasn't come off as a threat like Thanos, who killed a whole lot of people we care about on screen. Saying "this guy is the worst" and never seeing anything but him get his ass kicked over and over again does not clearly demonstrate much beyond the fact that he seems to be a pretty lousy villain whose reputation is entirely built from the comics.

 

He works so well because he can be a direct challenge and interact with a number of different Avengers.
Which is why it's a shame he couldn't be used earlier.

Doom & Stark have great interactions because they're both tech geniuses.
Doom & T'Challa have great interactions because they're both Kings of very advanced utopia nations
Doom & Strange have great interactions because they're both powerful sorcerers (in fact Doom became Sorcerer Supreme at one point when Strange was not able to fulfil the role).
Doom has great interactions with other powerful villains because he is strong enough to stand up to them.

Kang doesn't have that potential, and now neither does Doom since Stark & T'Challa are gone and Latveria isn't even established yet.

 

It doesn’t at all. It’s literally just the beginning. Loki chooses to hold the multiverse together himself knowing that it means they’ll eventually have to face Kang but he gives them that chance instead of keeping the Sacred Timeline intact like He Who Remains wanted.

 

They are going to recast and continue, just like Hollywood always does.

Exactly. "The Kang Dynasty" will probably end with Kang killing multiple heroes, which will then lead Loki and the TVA to recruit a Multiverse of heroes lead by Captain Carter.

 

And equivalents/successors to the others.

In the finale, they may have prevented Kang from even originating, as well as putting control of the multiverse beyond him.

So, no reason to expect consequences, or get attached, or have any stakes…

 

That’s not what happened. They literally mention Kang at the end and how they’re tracking his other variants. Him still being a threat is literally the sole focus of the TVA now.

 

You can’t move on halfway through. That would make both stories look bad.

 

Victor Timely is not the original source of the variants. Nathaniel Richards is. Normally that would be Immortus, but they may go in a different direction.

HE WHO REMAINS: "Eons ago, before the TVA, a variant of myself lived on Earth in the 31st century. He was a scientist and he discovered that there were universes stacked on top of his own. Naturally, they made contact. And for a while, there was peace. Narcissistic, self-congratulatory peace. “I love your shoes.” “I love your hair.” “Oh, man, nice nose.” “Thanks, man.” Et cetera. They shared technology and knowledge. Using the best of their universes to improve the others. However… not every version of me was so… so pure of heart. To some of us, new worlds meant only one thing, new lands to be conquered. The peace between realities…erupted into all-out war, each variant fighting to preserve their universe and annihilate the others. This was almost the end.…ladies and gentlemen, of everything and everyone."

All variants have to be killed, or contained.

 

It's not looking very good right now. If they cut their losses and move on to something better, I'm OK with that.

 

Well for the record, Matthew Vaughn (X-men movie series writer/director alum) is already singing the praises that the next Deadpool movie will give Marvel a "jolt"

“The few snippets that I know about Deadpool vs. Wolverine — or Wolverine vs. Deadpool, I’m sure that argument between Ryan and Hugh is happening as we speak — are unbelievable,” he said.
Vaughn continued, “That’s going to be the jolt… the Marvel universe is about to have a jolt of them and it’s going to bring that body back to life… I think Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman are about to save the whole Marvel universe.”
...
“I’m a genuine fan of the X-Men, all I want is for the movies to be as good as they should be,” he added.

 

But that's something the MCU never adressed. In the Loki series the name KANG was never mentioned. By the end, when Mobius talk about the events innQuantumania he only talk about a HWR variant.
So just as they changed Echo's powers; made Kamala a mutant; turned Atlantis into a Mayan/Aztech type of civilization; stabilshed the Eternals are androids not gods; and created insanely uber powerfull G'ia ( to never ever mentio her again), probably in the MCU, if they eventualy tell about his origins it will something VERY diferent from the comics. Look at the clues all around.