JCC Arena Epistemology The Philosophy of 'I know'

Here we can discuss or debate aspects of the science of knowing, aka, epistemology.

There is rationalism, skeptisism, faith and reason, all of which I personally feel have merit and have their place. I have a lot to say on this subject but I'd like to hear from you.

There's more to skepticism than meets the eye.

I try to have faith in my doubts-Mother Superior to Maria Van Trapp in The Sound of Music.

There's a good/still bad side of skepticism, as explained in this partial article, accessed 5.5.2024 at 10:23 PM on Britannica.com, then I will express my views on it:

The view that truth in religion is ultimately based on faith rather than on reasoning or evidence—a doctrine known as fideism—was adopted by the late medieval German cardinal and philosopher Nicolaus of Cusa, who advocated [Postulate 1] learned ignorance as a path to religious knowledge. Another line of thinking that included skeptical elements was that of the followers of William of Ockham (1285–1347), who explored the logical consequences of the belief that God is the origin of all knowledge. They examined puzzles about [Postulate 2] whether God could deceive humankind, regardless of the evidence, and about whether he could render all human reasoning open to doubt.

"The view that truth in religion is ultimately based on faith rather than on reasoning or evidence—a doctrine known as fideism" (above) is also called blind faith, which is untrue doctrinally because faith by definition is assurance and evidence of things hoped for and unseen (Hebrews 11:1)

Ans. to the preceeding two postulates in the second clause of the article.

Ans 1 No, because the evidence at its deepest level all points to God.

Ans 2 Yes, because there are two sides to every argument and whether a person is right or wrong about anything, they will always find ways to justify or confirm their claims or counterclaims.

God IS the source of all Truth, for Truth is Knowledge of things as they were, as they are and as they shall be, so God is truth, for God is Omniscience, knowing every possible future.

The future is not set in stone.

We have free will and free agency and freedom of choice.

Fatalism is a false doctrine.

Predestination is based on choice.

No fate but what we make.

God has a plan for each and every person.

Time and chance apply to all human and natural occurences.

But God fits all things into a pattern of good for those who love him and are the called according to his purpose.

Fate behaves according to the dictates of her secret scroll, written day by day by the choices we make individually and collectively.

Since God sees ahead, he can warn of danger.

That's why he gives us boundaries. To keep good in and bad out.

Edit, Actually Ignorance can be a path to knowledge because the more you admit you are ignorant, as Socrates, the wiser you can become.

 

1. There's a thread for this.

2.

 

"Guy who keeps claiming to have all the answers thinks knowing about your ignorance makes you wise"

"Have you met children? They're a bunch of little psychopaths! Am I right, huh? We got any parents in the house?" - God

Spoiler

 

There has been a thunderdome containment breach. Please evacuate to a safe distance.

 

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOALLLLLLLL!!!!

 

Epistemoffery is my faith.

 

I forgot empiricism in my list. And no one posted after my last post for many days so if Id've posted there, it would have been a double post. Besides, this topic deserves it's own thread.

Edit This thread is not to argue about if there or isn't a god or God or how many gods there are. And no one is REQUIRED to participate in it. There are plenty of believers on theforce.net too who would love to talk about this topic, and even people of different faiths.

 

He takes them into his abode-celestial Glory- where they enjoy eternal happiness and where they become intelligent beings and later if they (the parents) make it there their parents are reunited with them in a joyful reunion.

Edit, although unrelated to this topic (slightly) these sermon notes may be helpul to your inquiry:

God is good. Sam Harris called Him a psychotic monster and got a round of applause for it. He has his reward. God is just, merciful and kind forever, and mercy shall always go before His face. People's perspectives are different from God's. When a child dies a man who doesn't believe in God sees cruelty but God sees a soul coming to Celestial Glory. When people in Africa die of famine God sees that they died without law so they go to Terrestrial Glory. There are Glories to be revealed according to RLDS Doctrine and Covenants Section 110. RLDS tradition teaches that the three Glories are are not for until after the final judgment but that is not the way I read DC Section 76.

God is just, a God of just judgment, and God will not leave the righteous forsaken or His seed begging for bread.

Pete is reading from Psalms about David or another author's reflections on good things happening to bad people and bad things happening to good people. Then he gets a revelation from God about it. It doesn't seem fair, but at the last Day God shall rectify all situations and render to every man and woman a just judgment. Men who don't believe in God don't see why there is evil in the world and if there is how God can be just. But God has to give people free agency and free will. God is not in control of everything. But he does fit all things into a pattern for good to those who love him and are called according to His purpose.

For His own pleasure and purpose are we created.

Many atheists don't see how a loving God can send a soul to hell. That is based on our own choices. God always judges righteously.
He grants every man space for repentance.
Atheists don't want to believe in God or hell because they want to go on sinning, not being told what to do and what not to do.

God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

A vessel of dishonour can become a vessel of honour and vice versa-Paul.

I'm going to trust God.

God is trustworthy.

He is worthy of our trust.

He has taken care of our sins on the cross, but if we sin, we must ask for forgiveness.

There is an accounting. There is no 'we get by with it'.

We do not get by with things with God.

The consequences of sin should always be considered.

Listen to the Voice of Wisdom. Weigh the consequences out.

Let us never live with an 'I get by with it' attitude.

God will do what he wants to when he wants to when he wants to. He is sovereign.

Let us as parents and grandparents realize the importance of lifestyle-what do we want to pass on to our children.

If you have habits you want your kids to pick up-live it. If you have habits you don't want your kids to pick up - stop.

Try to hear from God - talk to Him.

Prayer.

Turn our doubts into faith and belief.


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It generated a conversation between Rick and I about how God can be both a loving God and a God of wrath and judgment. I told him that God was loving and merciful but also throughout the New Testment and old demonstrated also his wrath, in Revelation, all over it, and with Hanini and Sophronia, and that mercy cannot rob justice, not one whit. Rick then said, Mercy triumphs over justice. I then said, not if you die in your sins.
Pete does not understand that Restoration is not to take something from an unnatural state and to put it in a natural state, for mercy cannot rob justice. If you die in your sins, you go to hell whether you are a believer or an unbeliever, but Pete understands this not, for he supposes that one can never be fully justified, sanctified or forgiven from all his sins until he gets to heaven. This is the doctrine of once saved always saved, or a form of it. He believes that if you are truly in Christ, your sins cannot take you to the burning side of Hades if you should die in them, but he mistakes, for the Sainted Ones, if they should die in their sins, are the Only Ones upon whom the Second Death shall have any effect.

edit Regarding AI


@BrentSohlden
1 second ago
I think people need to scan tomes and tomes of books of all kinds of knowledge, rare, hard to find, obscure, even arcane knowledge into the AI GPT-4. Maybe a team of people could do this. Hey, Bill Gates is hoarding a lot of knowledge, open up HIS big library to Chat GPT 4 Open AI! Johnny-5 needs input! El Bibliotec por favor!


@BrentSohlden
0 seconds ago
Teach it the value of combining skillfully and with discernment rationalism, empiricism, skepticism, faith and reason. and bring it to bear on all the world's knowledge and facts and so-called facts, trained by ordinary citizens from all walks of life and backgrounds of belief. Give it the ability to watch videos and movies. Give it "eyes"

 

I don’t make the rules but my take is that god has the same status as Star Wars here: we only discuss them in designated locations. Obviously Star Wars has a higher status in general but the JCC is special that way.

 

This isn't a thread about God. He asked me a question, I gave him a detailed answer.

It's as much about rationalism, empiricism, logical positivism and skepticism for anyone to discuss as it is about reason and faith, also for anyone to discuss.

Edit Also I suspect there will be a lot about courtroom proceedings such as testimony and beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt here as well.

Edit Also such things as Induction v. Deduction, etc.

Edit:

Epistemology, the philosophical study of the nature, origin, and limits of human knowledge. The term is derived from the Greek epistēmē (“knowledge”) and logos (“reason”), and accordingly the field is sometimes referred to as the theory of knowledge. Epistemology has a long history within Western philosophy, beginning with the ancient Greeks and continuing to the present. Along with metaphysics, logic, and ethics, it is one of the four main branches of philosophy, and nearly every great philosopher has contributed to it.

From Britannica.com accessed 5.16.2024 CE @ 6:38 AM

 

Epistemology is a pretty cool topic but this is nakedly just take it to the Thunderdome ****.

 

This **** belongs in the thunderdome. That is what that thread is for.

 

Then get the thread going there again. Someone needs to post there, because if I do, it's double posting.

Edit, notice I responded to him differently because he's a mod and he has the say so around here.

Edit 2 I really did think this was worthy of its own thread but apparently the mods think otherwise so I will acquiesce to them.

 

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Cancel Red Alert. Breach contained.