ST The Rise of Skywalker Rey v Palpatine really should’ve ended differently

I mean they could maybe do something with Yoda, similar to what they did with Anakin in the Ashoka series.

 

Guys the Star Wars movies have the wrong titles. Let me explain; In Episode I, Qui Gon and Obi-Wan make a stop on Tatooine to fix their ship, where we meet Anakin Skywalker; Star Wars Episode I: The Rise of Skywalker. In Episode II, we find out that Palpatine, leader of the Sith, has ordered an army to destroy the Jedi; Star Wars Episode II: Revenge of the Sith. In Episode III, Anakin becomes a Dark Sith Lord, Order 66 is declared, and the Clones attack (and kill) the Jedi; Star Wars Episode III: Attack of the Clones. In Episode IV, Obi-Wan Kenobi returns from hiding on Tatooine and tells Luke that it is the time for Jedi to return; Star Wars Episode IV: Return of the Jedi. In Episode V: Luke Skywalker travels to Dagobah, meets Yoda, and gets trained to use the Force and to become a Jedi; Star Wars Episode V: The Force Awakens. In Episode VI, Luke returns to Dagobah after rescuing Han Solo, Yoda dies, and Luke becomes the last Jedi alive; Star Wars Episode VI: The Last Jedi. In Episode VII, Kylo Ren creates a New Empire, A.K.A The First Order; Star Wars Episode VII: The Empire Strikes Back. In Episode VIII, Luke trains Rey and then sacrifices himself to give the Resistance, making Rey a new hope for the galaxy, the Resistance, and the Jedi Order; Star Wars Episode VIII: A New Hope. In Episode IX, Emperor Palpatine (A.K.A Darth Sidious) returns from the death; Star Wars Episode IX: The Phantom Menace. What do you guys think?

 

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Let’s go back to how the ST don’t fully understand the concept and portrayal of Force Ghosts. I have 4 reasons why.

1: In the OT, Obi-Wan Kenobi's ghost can't physically touch anything. He simply appears and speaks to Luke. Similarly, Yoda and Anakin remain incorporeal.
In the ST, Yoda lifts Luke's X-Wing with ease in TLJ. This contradicts established lore. Force Ghosts shouldn't have such potent telekinetic abilities.

2: In the OT, the ghosts offer guidance but never directly influence events. They nudge Luke in the right direction, but the actions remain his.
In the ST, Luke attempts to physically burn down Kylo Ren's training hut in TLJ. While it fails, it suggests a level of emotional manipulation not seen before. Similarly, Leia uses the Force to briefly pull Ben Solo back from the dark side across vast distances in TROS. This seems like a new and undefined power.

3: In the PT, the concept of Force Ghosts is introduced as a learned ability, not a guarantee. Qui-Gon Jinn's struggling manifestation highlights this. For the Sequels, Luke and Leia become Force Ghosts seemingly effortlessly. There's no indication they underwent any training, unlike Qui-Gon. This cheapens the weight of Force Ghost mastery.

4: Perhaps the Force itself is evolving, allowing stronger interactions. This is a possible explanation, but the films don't offer any clues to support it. One could argue Luke and Leia's strong connection to the Force allows these new abilities. However, this creates an inconsistency - why couldn't Qui-Gon, a powerful Jedi Master, manage this level of interaction?
Overall, the Sequel Trilogy introduces inconsistencies in how Force Ghosts function. From their physical abilities to the ease with which they appear, the lore established in the Originals and explored in the Prequels seems to be bent or even ignored.

What do you guys think?

 

There are inconsistencies in Star Wars. Film at eleven.

 

what do you mean?

 

Xavier, you have some interesting ideas. There are authors who could write the Force evolving in a way that made the story good. It would piss off some old school fans. But if the story was good, then the fans should have more. The PT looks like it is more consistent with the OT than it is. I'm not complaining about that. I think..the intent was that Luke and Leia became Force ghosts after Yoda or somebody else taught them how to do that. I don't know. There is way too much unexplained stuff in the ST. Say what you want about the OT and Pt..but at least they're enjoyable IN SPITE of unexplained stuff. The ST is stressful. It hurts brains. If the ST was a TV show with some crap that was good and other stuff that was bad, it wouldn't get as much hate.

I like the idea of Force Ghosts being powerful enough to intervene but choosing not to. It's the destiny of mortals, not Force Ghosts, to deal with the material world. Force Ghosts can guide. I actually don't have any objection to what Yoda or Luke were doing as Force Ghosts. My problem lies with how Luke was behaving B4 he was 1. The main problem with all this is tied to how Rey and Ben Solo are shown to be effortlessly, intuitively, almost playfully..learning all this stuff without effort. That's not how the Force works. It takes work and sweat. As an athlete I find these movies offensive. The Expanded Universe had a lot of over the top crap..but there was work, time and effort involved. The ST moves too fast..too soon.

 

What do you mean?

 

@anakinfansince1983 i am sorry.

 

Guys i’m going to watch all 9 SW movies in 1 day

 

That sounds like a fun adventure.

 

It will. i’m gonna start tomorrow since it’s the weekend. then i will watch the documentaries and deleted scenes.

 

I tried that once. It’s not as fun in practice as it is in concept. After doing it, I didn’t want to watch any more Star Wars for six months.

Also, there are eleven Star Wars movies. If you’re gonna do the marathon, I’d say throw in Rogue One and Solo too. Especially given the quality of the former, and what a great transition it is into A New Hope.

 

The only franchise I can do a marathon at this point is LOTRs (extended edition). I don't even feel drained or tired or bored watching them.

And then like 6 months later I've done it again.

 

true. i’ll do that rn

 

I usually only get as far as the cornfield where Merry and Pippin just happen to bump into Frodo and Sam. The trilogy is great until that point.

 

There’s actually 12 SW movies. Remember the Clone Wars Movie?

 

Visibly confused gif… lol

never heard this criticism before.

 

Is it just me or does whoever made the Acolyte series should’ve erased the mistake of denying Yoda’s appearance in the series? I mean Yoda is a loved SW character and he should appear in TA series

 

What I would say (which seems very contentious in TLOTR fandom these days) is that the extended versions are vastly inferior to the original versions. They completely destroy the pacing (IMO).