Mini Series The Acolyte 1.03 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

The bigger question for me is why does Osha maintain the same hairstyle she's had since she was a kid? Teenagers traditionally like to try out new styles as they work out who they are away from the constraints of their families. That would surely go double for somebody who doesn't even appear to rate her own family and moved on to living with a different, much larger and more diverse one in her youth.

 

That Zabrak witch is going to be the mother of Darth Maul, isn’t she?

 

Nope.

 

Thats Mother Talzin

 

The writing for this show feels like I'm watching ping pong and it takes me out of the story. One minute Aniseya says the thread is not a power you wield but every line after that talks about power. "This is about power and who is allowed to use it." "The power of one, the power of two, the power of many." Which is it? And what exactly is the thread to her if not a power being wielded by her?

Aniseya says no violence but the witches are antagonistic toward the Jedi from the word go. Koril took over Torbin's mind and threatened to not release him. I didn't see any aggressive steps or actions on the part of the Jedi at this point and Mother Koril is ready to kill them "There are only four, who would miss them?" The show gives no information regarding the Jedi relationship with this coven in the past so why does the coven have such animosity? The galaxy is not welcoming to women like us really isn't justification to be so readily inclined to murder 4 Jedi.

"Destiny is not decided by an anonymous force." Umm weren't the witches the ones who were just acting as if it was Osha's destiny to ascend for their protection? Mae keeps telling her it's what she (Osha) wants. Even when Aniseya tells Osha that she can make the decision, Aniseya follows that up with "we must discuss but we will "consider your wish when we do so." So she still would not have gotten to make the choice if the fire hadn't happened? The script says one thing one minute and the next it's something completely opposite.

The Jedi lines make me cringe too. "We thought this planet was uninhabited." but they knew where to find the coven on said planet and "We heard you were training children here." Um you just said you didn't think anyone lived here.

Mae is all "I love you" one minute and ready to kill Osha the next. The I love yous might have been convincing if the relationship between the two hasn't been shown to be at odds from the beginning of the episode. Sing songy chants don't cut it. I didn't think Mae was being influenced by the Sith/dark side. She's just already fanatical about being a witch at the age of 8 or she's a psycho. I mean she tried to bend that creature to her will or kill it.

Mae sets the fire with Osha's notebook but in the present she's going after Jedi as if they were responsible for it? There's no screams or cries for help or action at all from the witches? Not one witch sees the fire, senses the fire, they just all die immediately in areas where there is no fire let alone smoke? The only adult walking around is Sol? What in this scenario caused Torbin to do what he did?

To me, the writing made the witches extremely unsympathetic and the Jedi look dumb.

Not crazy about the whole re visitation of Anakin's story, force involved birth, leaving mother behind to complete Jedi training past the designated age, mechanically gifted. I think if the current writers, showrunners etc are going to complain about/crap on Lucas' story and its beats while boasting they can do SW better, they should have an original origin story for their characters.

 

Do we learn that? I think it's left pretty ambiguous. There was dialogue in an old RotS script where Palps himself says he created Anakin but George intentionally removed it for the the final script. What we do know is George confirmed Anakin is in fact was the chosen one. I think the fans take Palps convo with Anakin at the theater and assume Palps is all of a sudden an honest man. But that's not really Palps character arc, is it? Quite the opposite.





For those who don't want to know what goes down tonight don't read the following article. Hoping it's a lot of hyperbole -
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But, but, lesbians!

 

Dude so you've seen the EP? Please tell me this isn't why Mae is mad at the Jedi. It would make zero sense for Torbin to kill himself over Mae getting angry. This would make the Jedi look like well......Jedi lol. They came to ask to train two kids NOT to force them? So I don't get it. This just makes Mae an absolute villain with serious emotional and psychological issues if we go by what you said above. I mean it's no wonder Osha is so salty with her.

 

Remember that your eyes can deceive you
We saw a flashback but we most likely saw only one part of what happened and the incongruities are there to make us uneasy and make us understand… that our eyes (and therefore OSHA’s eyes) May deceive us

 

The episode will retroactively be interesting if it’s indeed a lot of misdirection, but I gotta say, the Power of Many chant was perhaps the cringiest moment in SW, next to TBOBF’s Vespa gang.

It doesn’t even sound like they wrote a melody

 

Yeah I found that a bit strange. There's this giant ancient building and they thought the planet was uninhabited?

Conclusion: Jedi librarians suck.

 

I feel like over the years since 2005 a lot of of expanded canon hasn't been that ambiguous with it. I don't think anyone who did the books or comics ever thought it was meant to be subtle or ambiguous or that there was ever meant to be a question there. Probably because there isn't meant to be a question there.

 

I think people are misunderstanding Mae. She is intended to represent the darkside of the Force and Osha represents the light. So Mae is quicker to anger and violence than Osha.

In order for the sisters to be in balance, they must be with each other. So Mae naturally acts with anger and violence upon learning that they will be separated.

It's a mistake to read this behavior as some kind of psychological problem. It's all symbolic of the Force,

 

I hope that Darth Plagueis does not appear in this show because i want to see a show only focused on Plagueis and a Young Palpatine also i feel that Plagueis in Acolyte would be a bit forced a Plagueis show would be a good Sequel to this show

 

Plagueis learnt his ways from the lesbian witches. the Jedi buried the knowledge after killing the witches and no one knew about it.

 

Plagueis could know their methods without knowing them personally maybe Plagueis master will be the Sith at the end of this show

 

Sols first words in the series were just that, but when talking about Mae's death he says "we all saw..."

I'm of the belief the truly evil version of Mae is just a projection. Although that doesn't explain her stealing the sketchbook (as we saw in TLJ Luke's projection had no physical presence)

As far as the fatherless birth, possible dyad, and the twins seemingly embodying one side of the force; from Ashoka we know there's some connection between the witches and the Mortis gods. As we know there's a Son, a Daughter, a Father but ... No Mother ...

 

There is absolutely no reason to assume that Anakin was created by anything but the force itself. Lucas purposefully removed any reference to him being created by the Sith. ROTS didn't even hint at this being a possibility. All that remained was Palpatine's hook for Anakin, which draws him in because he is desperate to save Padme. If you want to be clear about something, you state it. If you want to keep it open, because it is utterly meaningless for the story your are telling, then you don't really say much about it. Here, there clearly was no desire at all to point in that particular direction.

What some books or comics completely disconnected from Lucas did afterwards has no bearing on the actual story.

 

All the chanting of the power of 2 did make me think they might do a dyad with the force created sisters. Otherwise what else are they getting at?

 

But there is no reason to think that this is not true either. After all when you take out his original plan for Palptine to reveal he created Anakin all you have is Palpatine winking at the audience as he looks at anakin while talking about creating life and anakin doesn't take the hint because why would he? Meaning it does nothing to convince anakin of anything beyond saying the sith lord had unnatural abilities. When really the part about creating life was for us the audience. we take the hint early on. this wasn't a twist for later.

What you think Lucas was trying to say Palpatine was lying to him about that random aspect? i suspect Lucas knew what he wanted to say and it wasn't BS.

 

Spoiler

That comic is a spoiler Palpatine with Acolyte witches methods create Anakin with Shmi the problem with this is that the Jedi know about these witches Force powers but they dont suspect anything about Anakin

 

I am a strict adherer to "George Canon" first and foremost when it comes to such important facts of Star Wars lore. Then ancillary content can follow suit. I'm definitely aware in Legends material there is a lot of Anakin was made by the sith content.

 

That comic was Disney content. I don't think Star Wars and subtlety is to be expected. Subtlety works best when you plan to stop and leave alone. Otherwise you get Star Wars where Lesbian witches are creating people out of the force and we are still saying naah it was all a lie about Anakin being created by a sith lord.

 

It's a mistake to call murderous tendencies and locking your twin sister in her room at age 8 to kill her whilst utilizing her personal journal to set the flame psychological issues?





OKAY.





Edit: Chalk might be right actually. At age 8 we'd call this psychological. At age whatever Mae is in the Acolyte present and still trying and succeeding to murder...we'd probably just call that evil.

 

Spoiler

The plot twist of Anakin creation will be Shmi was a witch or Darth Plagueis was Anakin biological father expectations subverted