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Mini Series Qimir the Stranger, who some may call a Sith and may or may not be a former smuggler

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by TheSithApologetic, Mar 19, 2024.

  1. ShayaLothal

    ShayaLothal Jedi Knight star 3

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    Arms!
    I have spoken....
     
  2. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Qimir arms looks oiled, lol :p
     
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  3. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes...

    ...Though I’m right now operating on the idea that he’s referring more to concealing his face to deaden the type of “Force-Heightened Empathy” + “Use the Force to guide you” that most Force users are capable of with enough experience and training.

    Something like... he and Sol both have enough actual combat training that they’ve gained an instinct to use both the force and just plain old micro-expressions on their opponents to get their Force connection a head-start in telling them what’s happening next. This would be especially dangerous against opponents who haven’t learned how to properly control their emotions in a fight, like most orthodox Jedi during this period.

    Yord’s “he gets in your head and stays there” comment while talking about Qimir’s form being inconsistent and wild would perfectly match with Qimir getting a tiny fraction of a second hint at what most of his opponents are going to do, and simply moving his saber or footing into the perfect spot to counter an attack regardless of form philosophies or katas.

    The counter to that could be either getting his mask off and doing it back to him (which Sol might have been doing when they devolved into fist fighting) or to reach that serenity that most orthodox Jedi are supposed to pursue and simply make it impossible to “hack” the Force through emotions. This might be shown with Jecki’s smiling at her second lightsaber activating, her calm and cool demeanor, and better fight performance against Qimir, forcing him to use a gimmick to kill her.
     
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  4. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    Yeah. Same. And the fact that the helmet has a giant grinning smile on it (a visual display of emotion) its almost as if the mask is taunting them. It's hiding the nature and thoughts/emotions of its wearer, but is also doing so in a way that teases them. The Jedi can't quite get past it.

    It's almost reminds me a bit of V for Vendetta if you will. Guy Fawkes.
    [​IMG]
     
  5. ShayaLothal

    ShayaLothal Jedi Knight star 3

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    This is great insight!
    I agree
     
  6. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    No, I think Qimir literally gets in Jedi’s heads, as we saw the twins’ mother do in the flashback to Torbin. And as we seemed to see him do to Mae in this episode. Those extreme closeups on Qimir’s helmet as she was running. That was, I’m pretty sure, him in her head.

    Not least as Osha said her mother could do that. And we saw her do it to Torbin.

    Maybe they had gotten into Sol’s head, and caused him to do something terrible on Brendok? No idea.
     
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  7. Siphonophore

    Siphonophore Chosen One star 5

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    What if Qimir is Sol's father?

    Sol = sun = son
    Qimir = chimera = human + Muun = half-Muun = half-moon

    Sol is the quarter-Muun son of Qimir the half-Muun.
    Qimir's father is Plagueis, the full-Muun.
    Sol is the grandson of Plagueis.

    Sol and Qimir must return to Brendok to kill Plagueis during a time when the witches feel is the right time to perform something..... when the Muuns are high. Plagueis will be way too high and relaxed to fight them, and might even be taking a nap. Or, he might be suffering from full-Muun fever. But, Sol and Qimir won't back down, because they're running down a dream. Hopefully, they don't end up free-fallin' down one of those holes in the ground, since they need to confront Plagueis to tell him "Yer so bad". It would be a real heartbreaker if they don't complete their mission. There's nothing petty about it.
     
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  8. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Maybe Sol had relations with a witch, and Qimir is his son. And he killed everyone to cover it up.

    Not serious…but serious. But not.
     
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  9. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Here's the thing about Sith mind tricks -- Qimir probably didn't learn this from the Coven because Sith Masters know how to do this, almost certianly.

    So there's no need for people to jump to some connection between Qimir and the Coven.

    And whatever he knows about Sol and the past probably comes from Mae.

    I've noticed that Headland likes to play with the audience in this way. She'll introduce possible connections or mysteries that simply have banal answers. It's an interesting form of red herring she serves.

    But she is not really the kind of mystery writer playing 5 dimensional chess with the audience. Not that she couldn't, but either that's not her style with popular genre audiences or LFL told her to keep it simple for a SW audience.

    So I caution people from developing overly complex theories about this show.

    Qimir looked suspicious, and he was because he was the Sith. Simple and well-executed. Qimir wanted Mae to kill a Jedi without using a weapon. Simple and perfectly logical. No need for some strained interpretation. Qimir says he's a Sith, and he means it. There's no need to invent Knights of Ren theories.

    The cliche "huge twist" is really not necessary in this, but having said that, we will likely have one anyway, but it's just that Headland wants that focus to be on the Jedi and the Coven.
     
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  10. ewoksimon

    ewoksimon Chosen One star 5

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    It's weird to me that they've given Qimir the moniker of "The Stranger," which sounds entirely temporary. It's like how Grogu went by "The Child" but that made some sense because there was nothing else official for a while (and "Baby Yoda" instantly became the popular nickname anyway).

    Why not just continue calling him Qimir until we know if he has a Sith title? Similarly, Palpatine retains his most commonly used name, rather than Darth Sidious or Sheev.
     
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  11. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Maybe stranger is a hint at his Darth name?

    Jacinto also uses the two names to discuss the dual nature of the character. They can call him the Stranger without yet revealing his Sith name.
     
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  12. ShayaLothal

    ShayaLothal Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yep me too me tooo
    I thought it was established in some written media that are canon that force healing is possible only for force users being part of a force dyad that way we have been speculating that Grogu may be parte of a force dyad. But maybe for dark siders is different?
    Today I was thinly about it and I just realized that chimera applied to a human has also another scientific meaning.. human chimaeras are individuals who were originally twins in the womb but then the embryos fused together and you can therefore have an individual that has different dna in different dna sources of their body and such (blood/saliva…) because essentially there is their tweens dna around in their body. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chimera
    So we have someone called a bit like a chimaera and we have Mae and Osha … “always one but born as two” the exact opposite of the how a chimaera is created..what if it was what happened? The power was so strong in the embryo that is scinded and became two? And then the ascension was planned to fusion them back together?
     
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  13. TheSithApologetic

    TheSithApologetic Jedi Knight star 2

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    https://ew.com/the-acolyte-creator-leslye-headland-season-2-exclusive-8664848

    New insight on our boy Qimir. Further confirmation he’s a Sith Lord. And we’re getting some deeper insight on his character next week.

    I can’t wait! Finally some Sith philosophy. He delivered some aggressive negotiations and kicked major, major Jedi ass. Now he better drop some hard truths! Can’t wait for next week’s episode.
     
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  14. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  15. DarthHass

    DarthHass Force Ghost star 4

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    that’s a great interview. I would definitely welcome a second season with that continued approach. Sith and survival.

    I do agree that some of the writing is a little clunky but I can overlook that.
     
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  16. Jolee Bindo

    Jolee Bindo Jedi Master star 3

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    I still think Qimir is the Sith apprentice rather than the master. He's young and Yord notes that his fighting style seems unrefined (but that could just be a very conventional Jedi mistaking unorthodoxy for a lack of method).

    If he is the master, he probably only became that recently and that's why he's so focused on finding a pupil.
     
  17. ShayaLothal

    ShayaLothal Jedi Knight star 3

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    Oh boy, I get full Hayden vibes here…
    … meesa lika this!
     
  18. Siphonophore

    Siphonophore Chosen One star 5

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    Back in 2005, professional cyclist Tyler Hamilton was accused of blood doping, or transfusing himself with another person's blood, in order to increase his oxygen-carrying red blood cells. His defense..... the different blood that was mixed with his own was from a vanishing twin (a type of chimerism).
    https://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/12/health/a-case-of-doping-or-a-vanishing-twin.html

    Of course, the prevalence of doping in the professional peloton was exposed years later, including Tyler Hamilton's admission of cheating.
     
  19. ShayaLothal

    ShayaLothal Jedi Knight star 3

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    Did not know that, it’s not the cause I know about chimerism Ehehe not really into cyclism!
    One of the cases that launched research on Chimaeras was a mother accused of having kidnapped her son because their DNA did not match and if I recall correctly she was pregnant with another kid and officials were at the birth to check and they realized even if they witnessed her giving birth to the next kid that one too did not have her same dna but more like an aunt and that’s when scientists started to dig but that’s how il the story was told by my professor so no source :D
    Anyway it struck me that there is this sort of dualism between a chimaera (Qimir) who fusions two persons in one and the twins who according to the mantra are one person but born as two
     
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  20. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Qimir is the apprentice of Plagueis, my bet.
     
  21. ShayaLothal

    ShayaLothal Jedi Knight star 3

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    Can’t HE be Plagueis? The math would not be mathing?
     
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  22. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    He could be yes, but with Mundi being older i can see Plagueis being older too. Also i love if he is still an Alien and we see him in the Finale.
     
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  23. Thrawn082

    Thrawn082 Force Ghost star 6

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    One bit that I quite liked was this when Sol was Sol was giving Qimir crap for killing Jecki because “she was a child.”

    Qimir responds “you brought her here.”

    And for as much as a twisted psycho as he is, he kind of has a point there. Jedi, don’t train child soldiers, bring them into battle, and then be surprised when they die.

    it’s also just such a cold-blooded Sith line that you know is just meant to mess with Sol’s head even more.
     
  24. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    Wonder if he is not even a hypocrite in this case, in case he started to train Mae only recently. Maybe he himself was recruited by Sith already as an adult, and before he indeed was a hitman working for Hutts.
     
  25. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    You say I'm a troll only because I didn't like the episode. And pointed out thing that I thought was funny.
    You accuse me of trolling for no reason. I am allowed to tell anecdotes like this and I am allowed to dislike the show without being accused by admin nevertheless of trolling.

    Negative opinions should be allowed here as well. I am not troll if I dislike the show. I actually liked first 4 episodes until this new one which was IMO bad.

    Andor. It's the most well-written Star Wars ever.
    Original trilogy is much better now than it's original script was because actors like Ford and Hamill gave constructive feedback to Lucas.
    ESB is also well written and directed all in all. Dialogue is good and Kershner is excellent director. Sure writing has always been the weakness of Star Wars on screen. But lack of internal consistency was never this bad before. Now pointing it out just makes you a troll apparently.
     
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