PT Should Yoda have done more to help Anakin with his fears in Episode 3?

In Episode 3 when Anakin went to Yoda for help with his fears of losing someone close to him, should Yoda have done more to help him?

I know that he couldn't have said it was Padme he was afraid to lose and Yoda assumed he was giving him the correct advice that he would have told any other Jedi. However, since Anakin was the "Chosen One" shouldn't Yoda have tried something different?

Later on at the end he seemed more willing to help Obi-Wan how to talk with Qui-Gon and I understand things were different since he was going to Dagobah and Obi-Wan was on his way to Tatooine. It just always bugged me how he was more willing to help Obi-Wan do that, compared to helping Anakin.

 

Yes, Yoda could have done more than he did,

or at the very least, put it in a more tactful way.


Death is indeed a natural part of life, true

Rejoice that those have moved on to some other better existence, good advice and comforting.


however

"having emotions like grief is a path to the dark-side" uhhm no.

"train YOURSELF to let go of everything you fear to lose"

Yoda's advice was oddly a more clinical approach to the subject than you'd expect from a monk like order.

And Yoda acted like a Psychiatrist who had a whole waiting room full of people coming to see him with their Jedi problems,
you can almost imagine them sat there with their number tickets.


I get the point of the scene
"everyone dies, it can't be stopped, so try not to let the fear of it consume you, or it can lead to obsessing, and negative thoughts...and looking for ways to circumvent nature itself is a path to the dark-side"


the execution of the scene was either:

1) just terribly executed
2) intentional, Yoda was meant to be seen as unhelpful, and thus pushing him further to Palpatine

 

There is nothing that he could say or do differently. Self discipline is the only answer here. No amount of coddling would stop him.

 

When you said that I can picture him saying something like "Number 25 come on in will you, help you I can."

 

There really was nothing Yoda could say to help Anakin or make him feel better. The advice given was probably the best advice.

The only way Palpatine was able to make Anakin feel better was to basically say oh yeah I know the cure for death. Would it have been better if Yoda said that to make anakin feel better?

 

If Anakin was made a Jedi Master, wasn't there anything in their archives he could have looked up about how to cheat death? I have seen some videos on YouTube from Star Wars Theory, where he did a fan fiction of Mace telling Anakin he would help him with that.

 

But it think the idea is that Anakin sensed the future and in his vision someone was dying. Yodas point about being careful about sensing the future is that presumably attempting to change the future can lead to bad things. Which it did, Anakin tried to change the future and ended up being the one responsible for that future. Had he of done nothing she wouldn't have died.

What could Yoda or Mace have done to help Anakin with his vision of padme dying during childbirth? Padme could get checked out by doctors who would likely find her infact healthy and that would mean that something had to go wrong during the actual birth that would kill her. Which does leave Anakin with little to do other than wait to see if her fate happens or if doctors can stop it.

But then her death is a result of heartbreak, whats the trick on cheating death? Often people like to think the Jedi could have done something but she didn't die from anything particular, she died of stress and sadness basically.

Although there is this theory that those who don't like the heartbreak angle give and its that Palpatine drained her life to restore anakin back to health. But even that doesn't mean much when it comes to cheating death.

 

Honestly, I think all of that could have been avoided if Anakin was made a Jedi Master when he was put onto the Council.

I understand and see the reason why that didn't happen, because as Obi-Wan told him, they didn't like it when the Chancellor interferes with Jedi business.

However, knowing that Anakin was the "Chosen One" and I think it's fair to say the Council was already suspicious of Palpatine prior to events of Episode 3, like Obi-Wan saying he stayed in office long after he should have left. Maybe they should have called Palpatine's bluff and made Anakin a Jedi Master. Although, I'm sure he knew the Council was never going to do that, which was part of his plan to make Anakin join the Sith.

 

No. Yoda told Anakin what he needed to do. Anakin knew that's what he needed to do. But Anakin chose to indulge his fears instead.

 

Might there have been a better exact wording? Maybe, but honestly the best psychiatrist in the world and being a Jedi master and full access to any Jedi secrets wouldn't be enough. It may have delayed things but Palps could always tip the scales of Padme being in danger or dead and then the same issue comes up regardless of what anyone else does. In my mind the only thing that would change things for Anakin is for Qui Gon to survive and nurture his best impulses and helps him let go of his worst.

 

I don't know when exactly Palpatine found out that Anakin and Padme were married, and I'm assuming it was sometime between after Episode 2, and during the events of the Clone Wars leading into Episode 3.

My point is what if in Episode 2 Padme ended up getting killed, what other reasons could he have for Anakin to become a Sith?

 

Well that's a different question. I'd say Obi Wan is the most obvious answer. The other would be some sort of lie about seeing beyond the pale of death

 

Okay, this is an entirely different discussion.

But it is obvious, if Padme was killed in Episode 2, the Anakin's reason for turning would be revenge. His rage, anger, and hatred would be the tools that turn him. He would be blinded by his need for revenge and if the other jedi got in his way, he would get rid of them as well.

 

in legends it was Captain Panaka who told Palps of the wedding.

In Disney era? who knows....he probably invited space whales round fot tea

or he met Mother Talzin and two night sisters on a Heath in Scotland who told him

 

Of the wedding Panaka said "it's pretty bad."

 

Anakin should have gone to Panaka instead of Yoda for advice,

it would have amounted to the same thing.

Also Panaka at the end of ROTJ

"those fireworks look pretty dangerous"

 

I looked this up on Wookiepedia and this is what I found in canon about who knew about their wedding, although it doesn't say they told Palpatine about it.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wedding_of_Anakin_Skywalker_and_Padmé_Amidala

 

The Jedi weren't hiding the teachings of Darth Plagueis because they didn't know about him. Also, what he wanted was unnatural for the Jedi. Palpatine knew full well that manipulating the truth would yield the result that it did.

Anakin didn't want sympathy. He wanted power and that's because he was greedy.

 

So, how come Star Wars Theory made this fanfiction of where Anakin would study the scripture and lore from the Council's restricted archives, if he was made a Jedi Master, which would help him regarding Padme.

 

The idea that Anakin wanted to get into the parts of the Jedi Archives that might help Padme, comes from the Matt Stover ROTS novelization.

 

"Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose."

That was basically the advice Anakin needed. Death is natural, death is inevitable. Everyone and everything die at some point -- even stars die. In a few billion years or so, our own sun will die. Nothing can stop it.

Make preparations if you can, but beyond that... why make yourself suffer with the time you have? If I got diagnosed with terminal cancer and had a year left to live, I would be really <expletive>ing pissed at myself as I lay on my deathbed that I had spent the time I had left worrying about this exact moment in time.

 

I think the idea was that Anakin felt the Jedi were hiding information from him. Some secret on the force that would grant him some sort of power. He was seeking that information. But was Anakin seeking information that didn't even exist.

Presumbaly there is no secret to stopping people dying. its also an incredibly vague of a thought because people die in different ways. Unless the assumption is of resurrection, but that would basically make people immortal

 

Non sequitur.

What's the relevancy of fan fiction for what's established in the movie?

 

When Anakin goes to Yoda for help at that point Palpatine didn't tell him about Darth Plagueis and how he could save people from certain death. So, are you sure that Anakin really thought there something the Jedi were hiding from him about that, or was it a lucky coincidence for him that Palpatine happened to tell him about that?

 

You would have to assume that Palpatine was telling the truth when he said Plagueis knew how to save people from death, in order for Yoda to have a story worth telling. But then if the Jedi could cure death why ain't they using it too?

It seems most likely that Palpatine lied to Anakin or at least wasn't giving him all the information as to what that mean't. Anakin just heard what he wanted to hear and jumped to get that power.