Amph "You think you're the only superhero in the world?" - The Marvel Cinematic Universe

How was he aware of it?

 

The number system is so stupid.

Let’s just pretend it’s 616-b,
and 199999 is a near-identical copy except Iron Man once made one extra quip during a fight against Aldrich Killian or Ultron.
(a meaningless solution that works, for a stupid problem they intentionally made)

 

Spider-Society calls it Earth-199999 so I'm gonna go with Miguel and Co

 

Someone came through from another universe who knew and told him about the Multiverse and the designations system.

Why? Scientists would do that very thing in real life if a Multiverse existed. Each Earth designation is based upon the discovery of the universe.

It's Earth-616 and they're wrong.

 

The numbers originated in the comics with the Captain Britain Corps, with the 616 designation arbitrary and designed to convey the main Marvel Universe was nothing special, which was never the case.

 

I'm so over this multiverse crap. Let's do SW where Anakin never goes bad, Han lets the Death Star blow up Yavin and Luke never goes to an island to die alone.
(Hey I actually like that last part)
Seriously why care if anyone dies if there's like 10 more versions out there?

 

Deadpool straight up says, “Can we just be done? With the whole multiverse thing? It’s not great. It’s just been miss after miss after miss. The Wizard of Oz did the multiverse first and they did it best! The gays knew it! But we didn’t listen. Let’s just take the ‘L’ and move on.”

 

Because Peter Parker in one universe looks like Tobey Maguire, one looks like Andrew Garfield, one looks like Tom Holland, one sounds like Shameik Moore, one sounds like Jake Johnson, one sounds like Hailee Steinfeld...

It's not about the character, it's about a compelling and good story. If they can tell them, then more power to them.

Are the stories getting a little convoluted? Slightly.
Also not everyone is watching every piece of Marvel content so if one didn't watch Loki TV show you may have been unfamiliar with the TVA in another movie so I'm fine with moving on when it's time and it's probably getting close to that time, but without it, we wouldn't have some great cameos in D&W.

 

Spoiler

Nicepool: “I think it’s been steadily okay since Endgame.”

 

Or a universe where Han and Leia have three kids instead of one, and Luke gets married, and Chewie dies instead of Han...

 

You didn't quote my whole post, which would have answered your "why."

The numbering system makes no sense with how the designations work. If there's going to be a system, there should be something intuitive or at least rational behind it. Instead it's a random big number

And for you saying: "It's Earth-616 and they're [Miguel & co in Spider-verse] wrong." I'll turn it back on you... why?

It being the same designation system used across every universe with the infinite multiverse doesn't make sense.

But working with what we have:
Let’s just pretend it’s 616-b,
and 199999 is a near-identical copy except Iron Man once made one extra quip during a fight against Aldrich Killian or Ultron.
(a meaningless solution that works, for a stupid problem they intentionally made)

 

The Marvel wiki does list Peter B and Miles' worlds as 616-B and 1610-B wherein they have the same numbers as the comic universes but are Spider-Verse character worlds. But when you watch Spider-Verse and the characters refence Miles as "the Younger from 1610?"

 

I'm really sick of it too, the whole multiverse concept in general. It gives filmmakers an excuse to cover everything. That includes lazy writing (including getting out of a corner you previously painted yourself into), made even worse when it's supposed to come across as "deep". And casting (or re-casting) actors in roles where they make little to no sense, other than for "fan service" or big shocking reveals, and the hopes of making lots of money.

 

Yeah, it's no longer interesting, and we've already explored the highest-stakes scenarios of what could go wrong (destruction of it all by Ultron with Infinity Stones, control of it all in Loki versus He-Who-Remains, the escape of another variant who could try to wrest control of it all in Anti-Man versus Kang in the quantum realm). We just haven't seen the "original MCU" heroes doing a version of it... but I feel any high stakes scenario would mostly be a repeat, and just about the current characters becoming a team (which hasn't really happened yet, with all the changes and separateness since Endgame). The only story that makes sense is for them to work to have a more difficult barrier between universes without destroying/pruning all but one, so the Multiverse saga can actually end. I appreciate some fan service, and going forward we could always have stories set in the past that still play with the idea if there's a really good pitch for a story idea, but yeah I hope they move forward soon and have more character-centric grounded stories again. And that includes not having Captain Marvel fly through a star to stop it from dying, while overcoming a Freaky Friday situation, to solve the problem.

 

So, if Cassandra Nova and Multiverse of Madness Scarlet Witch would battle, who would win?

On the one hand, I'd say The Scarlet Witch. She made quick work of the Illuminati, including that universe's Charles Xavier and that was with her dreamwalking. Plus, pre-MOM, Wanda was kicking 2014 Thanos's behind before he called for a strike to break her concentration and she was able to destroy the Mind Stone while holding off Infinity War Thanos at the same time (albeit all for naught).

On the other, Cassandra Nova apparently took down Magneto and a variant of Strange, and probably did so from a distance. So, the Scarlet Witch might have some trouble.

 

I think Cassandra would be faster on the murder than Wanda, it's really only about who makes the first movie because they can both instakill each other

Anyway I hope RDJ is Doom because of a Freaky Friday body swap because it would tick off people who were angry about Marvels' Freaky Friday body swap plot

 

Let me ask you this, wouldn't you be happy to know that there is a reality that exists where someone you loved was still alive? I know that I would be happy to find out that there's a universe where I didn't lose my brother and stepfather to cancer.

Part of the appeal of the Multiverse is that stories can be told that have consequences. Someone could die a permanent death. Someone can retire and pass on the mantle to another. The world could be totally different from the main universe. We can see different outcomes of existing stories. Batman can be hunting Jack the Ripper in 1888, while the Marvel heroes exist in 1602. In live action we have gotten to see past iterations of characters interact with current versions.

The point is to have fun and enjoy the ride.

The numbering is based on the fact that DC got there first with the Multiverse, both in comics and in other media. 616, 10005, 838 and 688 are all in tribute to Earths 1, 2, 3, 8, 12, 16, 19, 21, 27, 38, 74, 78, 89, 90, 96, 99, 123, 203, 666 and 4125. The numbering is based on how each universe was discovered and cataloged. It's an Easter Egg for fans.

He Who Remains was probably a native of 616 and chose to favor it. Sony used 199999 because they weren't in communication with Marvel about the Multiverse and no one watched AOS, which established 616 as the main universe.

 

Cassandra did everything off screen. Wanda all day.

 

Cassandra did tear off some skin on screen

 

Wikipedia says there was a 616 reference in Thor: The Dark World on Selvig's black board, but I would say it wasn't official until Multiverse of Madness when it's referred to as 616 by the Christine of Earth 838.

From Reddit:

Marvel Entertainment deemed the MCU as Earth-199999 years back when the MCU was still young. Once Feige and Marvel Studios got their freedom from ME and Perlmutter, they chose to call the prime MCU as 616 like the comic’s prime universe. Feige has continued to stick to his guns on the 616 stuff.

In the big picture of Marvel, it’s 199999. Within the MCU multiverse it’s 616. If you passionately prefer one or the other, then just call it what you want since both have been used officially by Marvel. I just don’t get how some people can be passionately upset about something like this though.​

 

I’m working upon the assumption that there are simply two multiverses - the MCU and the comics.