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Honestly it seems pretty standard for Planetary Security Forces - notably the Royal Naboo Security Force, but honestly I am having a harder time remembering any world that had both a police force and a military and both were clearly separate.

Even in the Empire we seen stormtroopers act like beat cops as often as not.

Personally I headcanon as a knockoff by another company trying to get in on the giant tank market.

 

Rendili Vehicle Corporation perhaps? Rendili StarDrive was known for knocking off other companies, especially Kuat Drive Yards, which the Juggernaut is. Maybe they weren't the only Rendili company with such predictions?

 

Jaina Solo spoke with Shmi Skywalker Force Ghost at some point also had Force Visions of Padme

 

Honestly I didn't know about the A4. Interesting that it's existed for centuries while the A5 and A6 were both unveiled in such a short period of time. Personally I'd prefer the A5 be at least a decade older than the A6. Maybe created after Naboo.

 

I don't see how any of this excludes him being a Vader clone...

I think you're making a good case that the Glove series absolutely invites it in the first place...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Indeed. One of my biggest Legends "Wish List" items was one or more novels retelling the Jedi Prince story, but as byzantine political epics with with all of the various additions and retcons created over the years incorporated.

 

I'd be content with just a sequel focusing on all the loose ends and getting them solved

- the fate of Triclops and Ken
- the True Prophets that Luke presumably learned about at some point given Fate of the Jedi
- the implied connection between the True Prophets and Triclops (I like to imagine the False Prophets were involved with the Real Prophets behind Blackhole's back for many reasons, it feels appropriate for this continuity knot and it actually does explain a few things)

Who knows, maybe throw in the final fate of Grand Admiral Makati into the mix, he probably knows the difference between a human and a Bimm, and he worked alongside with Azrakel who later learned about the True Prophets.

 

I've been fond in the past of referring to the Jedi Prince books as a prime example of the EU being "less than the sum of its parts", insofar as the gap between the secondary material retroactively tying things together and the actual primary text is just SO vast.

 

yeah, in that the primary text the Jedi Prince books are the pinnacle of quality in the EU, while in the secondary material its a confused mess of fakers and darkside cultists who dont actually do anything except be the subjects of a rather uncharacteristic temper tantrum on Palpatine's part.

 

Ah yes, I remember this pic. I myself previously head-canoned the Bellator as being the Luminous, from the Essential Guide to Warfare, and salvaged for limited NR fleet ops.

Anyway - different kind of statistics time...

Leading up to the Battle of Endor, Rebel Alliance Intelligence operatives had compiled an estimated list of Imperial warships that had been produced or were likely being so, to get an overall idea of Imperial fleet strength not kept in secret reserve. The most consistently recorded figures were:

Gozanti-class transport - 1 million or more estimated as built.
IPV-1 system patrol craft - 1 million estimated as built.
Skipray Blastboat - 200,000 thought built.
Arquitens-class light cruiser - 100,000 thought built.
Carrack-class light cruiser - 90,000 thought active.
Acclamator-class (1 and 2?) - 50 to 80,000 thought active.
Nebulon-B series frigate - 60,000 plus thought built.
Dreadnaught-class cruiser - 60,000 thought active or built.
Raider-class corvette - 50,000 plus thought built.
Lancer-class frigate - 2 or 3000 thought built.
Escort Carrier (Ton Falk) - 15,000 thought built.
Star Galleon - 15,000 plus built.
Immobilizer series Interdictor - 2000 plus thought built.
Victory-class frigate (275 m? ) - 3000 thought built.
Victory 1 class Star Destroyer - 6000 thought built (Venator similar?)
Victory 2 class Star Destroyer - 1000 plus thought built.
Tector-class Star Destroyer - 500 or more thought built.
Imperial-1 class Star Destroyer - 20,000 thought built.
Imperial-2 class Star Destroyer - 10,000 plus thought built. Some replaced older ships.
Torpedo Sphere - 20 estimated as built, but unconfirmed.
Secutor-class Star Destroyer - 500 or more estimated as built.
Allegiance-class Star Destroyer - 6000 possibly built.
Onager-class Star Destroyer - 1000 plus possibly built.
Bellator-class Dreadnought - 100 maybe constructed.
Mandator-2 class Dreadnought - 36 to 50 suspected as built.
Assertor-class Dreadnought - 3 plus thought constructed.
Executor-class SSD - 12 to 20 suspected as built or planned to be so.

 

Part of the magic of the EU was just how patchwork it was.

 

What if Ben Solo / Kylo Ren after TROS and his sacrifice, returns to the living once more?

He finishes what Anakin/Vader started. As part of a Dyad, as lineage of the Chosen One, he will resurrect and achieve what every Sith stove for but failed at.. at least in a way.

Imagine this missing scene from TROS:
The Emperor tosses Ben into a deep chasm that leads down to the mines where as per Visual Dictionary the Final Order is digging for a Portal to the World between Worlds buried below the Citadel Temple. Falling down an seemingly endless chasm, Ben mirrors Palpatines fall in ROTJ and likewise, survives the fall. A true Skywalker, he uses the Force to slow his descent and land unharmed. But down there another scene unfolds, there in the dig, FO Cultists have uncovered the portal and attempt to open it in an ongoing ritual, which Ben disturbs. Fighting through them, he ends up standing between the opening portal and them and as they swarm him and he braces for a last fight "The Ganner" style, is pulled backwards into the WBW by someone on the other side, the portal closing behind him so that no FO Cultist can enter.

There in the WBW, he meets its guardians, some dead, some alive. Ezra Bridger, Ahsoka Tano, Anakin Skywalker. He learns how proud they are of him as well as that the most difficult is still ahead. He learns that he will die soon, but he has to fear nothing as the Force awaits him with open arms. But before that, he has to make a choice here in the WBW. He can go to any time and place he wishes. He could undo the past for an uncertain future, or choose to live some times again as they were. He has all the time he wants before his final moment draws to a close out there. What will he choose? No uncertain future, no nostalgia in the past either. Accepting his upcoming death, he wants to peak at the future though that it will help create. And as he is shown it, he looks back at his guides: You said I can choose any moment. They nodded, and so he steps through a portal into the future beyond his death. Returning to the living alive, at least for a time, knowing he will have to return here and to his end on Exegol not having too long, as he can't age and take the same place again.

But essentially, this enables him to return post mortem for a short while and do something important still.

As a Stranger he will appear in places and do good and wonders.
As a Specter, he will haunt those that seek to further darkness beyond TROS.
As a Teacher he will inspire some to not repeat his missteps and yet be inspired by his tale.
As a Dead Man Walking, he shall live on borrowed time and spent every second of it with purpose redeeming the pain and darkness he brought in his past.
And when it is time, he shall return to a portal ready to be pulled back in. Return to Exegol, return to Rey's side and fulfill his destiny.


PS: There is an Infinities ST timeline where Ben Solo never fell to the Dark Side... yet he became Surpreme Leader anyway. Infiltrating and subverting the First Order and turning it into a kind of benevolent Felpire analogue. He wears white and gold armor and becomes a King Arthur style figure with a redeemed Knights of Ren Roundtable.







The last time, after Endor, the New Republic was too soft on those that had served the Empire. Tried to rehabilitate them, integrate them, and this lead to later centrism and secession. Will any new government post TROS do the same? Or would they.. try to not repeat that, neither to improve the system that was flawed, but fall prey to the opposite errors? Will they condemn any who actively supported the Empire or First and Final Order? Leading to those that find no rehabilitation or redemption to flee and unite beyond the borders coalescing into a new imperial type of Remnant? One nobody speaks for in the new Senate halls.

What if they find someone to rally around and someone who will protect them and guide them to redemption as he found it? Shape them into something better. Until one day the new Republic and new Jedi can accept them in peace as equals and maybe merge without prosecution or old rifts leading to the cycle repeating once more.

 

Black Sword Command/Black Fleet was intended to be the vanguard of or the wholescale invasion fleet for the Empire's Post-Endor expansions into the Unknown Regions. I find it hard to believe an Oversector would need so many super star destroyers constructed and just...sitting around doing nothing during the Galactic Civil War.

 

They weren't exactly "doing nothing", though - of the missing ships, "all but five of the forty-four were either newly laid keels or in a yard somewhere for refit or major repair" - and the other five likely included the SSD Intimidator, in the more advanced stages of construction, and EX-F, which was a propulsion test ship...

Not that I want to spoil your headcanon, though - I actually agree that Black Sword was pointed at the Unknown Regions, and I think it's even canon somewhere...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

The Abyssins, before the Devouring, were known as some of the best architects throughout the Tion Cluster. Xim even "commissioned" some to create the Forbidden Gardens of Nuswatta, built into the caldera of a long dormant volcano which eventually became known as one of the Wonders of the Galaxy. Abyssins would form colonies and diaspora all across Xim's Empire as Xim enslaved them for his armies, architecture, and industry.

Long after Xim fell, the Hutts would fall upon the Kiirium Reaches, rendering thousands of worlds between themselves and the Tion into irradiated wastelands, among them included the Abyssin homeworld of Byss(not to be confused with the Deep Core world of the same name). Miraculously, the Abyssin natural regenerative traits allowed them to survive what for most species would have been extinction, but the survivors were forced into a nomadic lifestyle. Due to their experience with outsiders: the slavers of TIon and the genocidal armies of the Hutts, the Abyssin of Byss greeted all visitors with hostility and distrust.

While various humanocentric sentientologists like Obo Rin gleefully pronounced them to be a primitive and barbaric species with no known accomplishments besides as gladiator slaves, in truth many of the Abyssin diaspora scattered throughout the galaxy had contributed much to the galaxy. Even the "primitives" of Byss built grand structures and monuments commemorating the many lost in the Devouring, though few outsiders ever saw them until Henrietya "Correllia" Antilles uncovered the truth of the Ash Worlds and for the first time in millenia people became truly interested in the culture of Byss.

Many of these discoveries were met with derision and suspicion particularly among extreme humanocentric circles, the Gardens of Nuswatta have gained a somewhat mythological status among Tion culture as the height of human accomplishment, and for millenia non-humans could not even set foot there. Still, the truth prevailed and deals were made on both Nuswatta and Byss which opened both to archaeological investigation and highly restrictive tourism.

note: I simply couldnt resist since the Ash Worlds were said to have been thriving with thousands of worlds and as a particularly fertile area for XIm to expand, the ancient greek themings of the Tion, and the mythology of cyclops often emphasizing their architectural prowess. Plus their stated backstory in Galaxy Guide 4 is not only presented by a humanocentrist, but also is somewhat incongruous with how often they appear outside their homeworld generally not as slaves.

 

Despite the events of the game obviously not happening, the bizarre snowy unnamed planet at the end of Yoda Stories where Luke has to fight "survivors of the clone wars" and "adherents of the old ways" and gets cloned before being abducted by aliens and meeting Indiana Jones was actually Kamino's moon Korasa. The cloning machine there was Zeta Magnus's tech Vader took from Dantooine in Galaxy of Fear: Clones, further research in his old fascination with using cloning as a medium to effectively resurrect the dead, though eventually overran with self-proclaimed "clone masters" who took refuge on Korasa.

 

Reading through the Clone Wars Campaign Guide and Imperial Sorcebook second edition sheds a lot of light on the issue. During the Clone Wars, each sector has a fleet, either led by a Fleet Admiral or a Senior Jedi General. Presumably, armadas exist on the oversector level. They are only stated to be led by a High Jedi General, presumably since the military is supposed to be led by the Jedi. I'm very curious how oversector commands operate between the local Moff, the Jedi High General and the Admiralty. Additionally, I wonder how Jedi ranks work, since they clearly have authority in all services. Do they really command fleets and armadas as Generals? I'd much prefer they have separate ranks in the different services, leading armadas as High Admirals. Even if Jedi led the armadas, I'm sure Palpatine would have non-Jedi admirals directly under their command. When Order 66 is declared these officers are in the perfect position to take over command and continue the war effort.

I'd reckon an armada is led by a Jedi High Admiral acting as Armada Commander, with a non-Jedi Fleet Admiral as Armada Sub-Commander. The armada is therefore subordinate to the oversector's Moff, with the Jedi having limited operational independence.

 

I always headcanoned that the Dantooine cloning facility in Galaxy of Fear: Clones was from the Jedi enclave in Knights of the Old Republic - that's how they ended up with an "amnesiac" Revan...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

That just ends with a Galen Marek situation and several Revans running around. Guess that is how the TOR MMO Revanites got so numerous and legion, eh?

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If Revan were a clone then there is actually a fairly reasonable explanation why they wouldn't have multiple of him running around.

Namely the whole "clone madness" thing implied to be due to a "double presence in the Force" which is seen in the Thrawn Trilogy and TFUII, which would also interfere with the whole "retracing his steps" process.

Surely that would only get worse with more Revans. I'd assume they would keep his body in cold storage while only having one active clone at any one time. It actually conceptually works quite well and is far less convenient than the official plot.

Especially since no one seems capable of explaining Revan's amnesia well, the games seem to imply that it was just something that happened when he was captured, while guidebooks imply the Jedi erased his memories to... Learn about his memories, I know they don't believe in torture but there is no way that is the best choice they had in the moment. It's not only morally dubious but also insanely inefficient.

If Revan died when he was captured then cloning would very much be the only way they could learn about whatever secrets led to the near endless supply of ships.

Now all we need is an explanation of why clone Revan was on the Endar Spire in the first place, especially since the start of the game implies he has no memories prior to waking up.

 

Well, I've dug back into your Solo / Crespin Trilogy timeline and set of fixes, and am overall impressed. It's also nice to spitball ideas for potential fixes and One Canon solutions going forward, as this is one of the stickiest portions.

As I currently lay things out in my own head - Han is picked off the street by Garris Shrike circa 26 or 27 BBY. In 24 BBY he is 'sold' to the White Worms as a valuable servant, receiving further training from Shrike along the way. During the Clone Wars in particular Han spends quite a while aboard the Trader's Luck, and around that same time, meets Thrackan Sal Solo.

In Tales from One Canon: A Shrike Among Worms, he flees from Proxima and the Worms and is separated from Qi'ra - then goes BACK to Shrike and the Trader's Luck, around 12 or 13 BBY. After which he goes to Jubilar, and does more swoop racing. Then Han joins the Imperial academy after Ylesia and running with Bria for a bit (the scene with the recruiting officer now being only a minor detour/embellished apocrypha)
He goes through Carida training for two or three years, meets Lyttan, Tamu and Kanina Nico, plus Valance, and witnesses the latter two leave. Then also befriends Badure and Mako Spince - Mako being expelled around 8 BBY. Then goes on to a brief posting at Prefsbelt per the Essential Guide to Warfare. Has an even briefer posting on the training ship Austringer (circa 6 BBY?) where he wins his Bloodstripes, likely. Somewhere in all this general period is maybe when the events with Onyx Squadron and Mimban may take place (but I treat a lot of the movie script as being more a loose adaptation of Han's life at present, with likely compactified and conflated sequences)

And then the Hutt Gambit happens months later, after the Chewbacca comic.
So assuming Paradise Snare takes six months - Han goes into the Academy around 9.5 BBY. He spends nearly four years in the academies and a bit longer than a year on shipboard deployments. Hutt Gambit spans roughly 5 to 3.5 BBY (with Rebel Dawn beginning almost exactly 3 BBY, as implied by Leia's and Winter's age hints)
And then Han Solo at Star's End occurs about 1 BBY, but about a year since he first went to see Doc and Jessa for hyperdrive upgrades (per Jessa's comments)

There's a bit of wiggleroom however, and perhaps moving some things back about a year might ease up some of the more messy parts. However, this way, almost all the dates except regarding who owned the Falcon and when, are integrated pretty well, as well as Chewie's age. But yes, I'd also welcome a revisiting of some of these ideas.

 

Allana would develop some sort of ability to connect to the Force with the Vong, though only after a strangely metaphysical quest guided by the ghosts of her Uncle Anakin and her father Jacen. If Allana had gone to the Dark Side and joined the One Sith, she would have been able to heal Krayt from the Vong implants, allowing him to rule indefinitely, hence Jacen's visions. Instead, Lightside Allana would help create connections between the Vong and the GFFA using the same gifts.