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Skeleton Crew Jod Na Nawood

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by Todd the Jedi , Nov 15, 2024.

  1. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The writers might end up going this way, that Jod was a Jedi but has somehow become bitter, but so far I don't see bitterness in him, but a reverence for the convergence of Jedi and pirate ideals -- he enjoys being a solitary cutthroat who doesn't need others or care about attachment.

    I don't doubt something bad happened to him growing up, but he doesn't seem negative about the life of a "Jedi pirate"; he really seems to think his way is the correct way, in my view.

    Also, I personally think it would be more interesting for him to be a non-Jedi who misunderstands the Jedi values rather than be a true Jedi who became disillusioned. For one, we don't need yet another Order 66 survivor.

    I think if Jod met a real Jedi like Luke his mind would be blown that his understanding of attachment was flawed. Or, even more subversive, Jod is intended to illustrate the practical consequences of such beliefs.

    That his understanding of attachment could be flawed is really interesting because it shows how misinterpretation of ideals can send people in a destructive direction. And it also shows how easy a value like "no attachment" can be misconstrued or taken to extremes. Even in SW fandom for years now fans have disagreed about the attachment rules and what it entails or promotes. It makes total sense that outsiders to the Order would have a difficult time contextualizing religious practices/values (even those in the Order disagreed).
     
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  2. Siphonophore

    Siphonophore Chosen One star 5

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    I searched online to see if anyone makes silver long johns, but no one does. The closest results were grey, ash grey, and heather grey.
     
  3. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 4

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    I think you can only find them Deep in the Caribbean™.

     
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  4. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Agreed. He reminds me of some western people who read up a little on Buddhism and come to the mistaken conclusion that it gives you license to be selfish and uncompassionate.
     
  5. Bibliora

    Bibliora Jedi Knight star 4

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    Total disappointment. Jod's actions in episode six were so very Vane like, making him unworthy of redemption. While I may not be able to guess how this show will get there, I was, am, sure Jod's going to come thru for the kids. Having been around overly excitable children myself, I understood the logic of challenging for captain and taking the kids prisoner. Anyone would have been frustrated by the buffet situation and constant wrangling.

    So, so, so, want a light saber scene with Jod. SC may go down in my considerable estimation, if we don't get it.
     
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  6. Grizzlor

    Grizzlor Jedi Master star 1

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    I find Jod to be absolutely delightful. He is basically the Artful Dodger, right out of Oliver Twist, I think it's magnificent. I sound like a broken record, but my gosh this is how they used to write books and make movies for kids for almost a century. Charles Dickens would be proud. Heck we just had him begin to sing a pirate song!
     
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  7. Bibliora

    Bibliora Jedi Knight star 4

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    So, what exactly is Jod's crime against the pirates? Being a crappy captain is not exactly a crime. While my knowledge of the SW Pirate Code is indeed lacking, in my other fictional pirate entertainment the crew can vote out their captain at any time or kill him. Is it a crime to pick loot free targets? Or has he done something we have no knowledge of yet?
     
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  8. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    Recently rewatched Repo Men, now want a story about Jod and Saw's team-up.
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  9. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Jod choosing not to use the lightsaber against the pirates seems like a significant moment, IMO. It's clear that he can really use the Force at this point, so why doesn't he just cut through the pirates like butter in E6?

    One possibility is that he's not actually trained to use a saber in major combat against multiple opponents, which would suggest he was never a padawan.

    Another possibility is he has a reason not to kill his former comrades, perhaps wanting to use them to take over At Attin. Or maybe he just wants to lead them again for his own reasons, or since they are a bit like his only family, he doesn't want to slaughter them all. However, how quickly he chooses to attack them with acid seems to contradict some of this.

    I've seen some people speculate that Jod doesn't want the pirates to know he has Force powers. What would be the reasons for that? Secret advantage? Lack of respect for Jedi?

    I am assuming there's a story reason that Jod doesn't use the saber here, but it is possible that the show just missed an opportunity for saber action here for some reason. I don't really believe they would do that though.
     
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  10. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Actually, I think most pirate fiction likes to think of it as more openly cutthroat and hierarchical, rather than the pragmatically pseudo democratic system that the real Golden Age of Piracy has.

    In particular, the “challenge for leadership” thing tends to be a recurring trope in fiction, while the realistic version was effectively a snap election.

    Even “mutiny” was a fairly downplayed crime among real pirates, since if there were enough crewman to physically overthrow a captain, there was enough for an election.

    Jod seems to exist in a very stereotypical “might makes right” type of fictional pirate world, where the leader is ostensibly the strongest or cleverest member, but can be challenged in one on one combat, and where if they don’t do that, there’s some type of mutiny to commit.

    I think the idea is supposed to be that his Silvo persona was genuinely feared a bit, enough that Brutus and others won’t challenge him singularly, though it might be a bit of a bluff on his side, or it might be that his real talent in combat is using the Force in deceptive ways rather than as an overwhelming ace-in-the-hole.
     
  11. Bibliora

    Bibliora Jedi Knight star 4

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    I will admit to having watched a six-part golden age of pirates' documentary recently. It was its own revolution and not exactly Pirates of the Caribbean. Still, I've never gotten the sense the other pirates were afraid of Jod, but he would not have captain with being ruthless. Depending on degree, Jod's force skills would make a one-on-one challenge problematic. Watching your fellow pirates get force choked may deter some. Imagine what he'd be like with light saber.
     
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  12. LedReader

    LedReader Jedi Master star 4

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    I think it’s less that being a bad captain is a formal violation of the rules, and more that being a bad captain led to a mutiny, and from a practical standpoint, one of the first things you want to do when pursuing a little usurping is to lock the former leader up, as having not given up power willingly they are a threat to try and take it back while your new rule is at its least stable. Now, it’s what he’s done after getting thrown in the brig that I believe is where the death penalty stuff is coming from.
     
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  13. Bibliora

    Bibliora Jedi Knight star 4

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    This show has been so good about answering lingering questions, I was hoping for something specific. Then again, if it's not specific to the story being told then do we need to know. So, I can accept crappy captains who you've just mutinied against should be locked up. He annoyed them and tore up Borgo with the Cinder Onyx, could be death penalty worthy. Maybe he broke Brutus heart at some point, it could be lots of things. Forgive me, I love me some pirate lore, and they were actually very democratic before it was made popular in America, but this Star Wars.
     
  14. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    Black Sails, people. Watch Black Sails.
     
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  15. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Tried. Turned it off after the first three episodes. Struck me as a really dumb presentation of a very layered, interesting subject and period of history.

    I’ve heard the quality improves significantly after the first season, though, so maybe someday I’ll revisit it.
     
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  16. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Season 2 is gold. Watch Black Sails from later season 1 to season 4. Its one of the best pirate stories on tv/movie.
     
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  17. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    Season 2 onwards, once they actually take the time to get into Toby Stephens Captain Flint, is one of the best, most empassioned condemnations of Imperialism committed to television.
     
  18. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    More than the three famous Andor speeches?
     
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  19. Grizzlor

    Grizzlor Jedi Master star 1

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    I was going to suggest the incredibly ludicrous Our Flag Means Death!
     
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  20. Bibliora

    Bibliora Jedi Knight star 4

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    Love Black Sails. Which surprisingly often treads close to historical accuracy. I do think Jod is more of a Captain Flint than other pirates throughout entertainment. If I compare Captain Flint's story to Jod's, then he most likely was a Jedi at some point.
     
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  21. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    Helps that they can actually say “**** the (British, Spanish) Empire.”
     
  22. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Pirates ****s
     
  23. InterestingLurker

    InterestingLurker Force Ghost star 5

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    Loved Black Sails.

    Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they took inspiration from Black Sails; the series' reputation has only grown over the years.

    Also, Captain Flint and Long John Silver were great, both actors that played them.

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  24. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    OK, so can everyone here confirm that seasons 2 and onwards of Black Sails are much better than season 1, which seemed like it was doing a cheap imitation of Game of Thrones without the grandeur, pathos, and likable people?
     
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  25. InterestingLurker

    InterestingLurker Force Ghost star 5

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    Unfortunately, every show did this back then, in one form or another.

    Also, yes.

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