Do we boycott Twitter? UPDATE: VOTING PERIOD OVER

idk if it’s forcing anything if it’s put up to a vote and the community decides that’s what they think is the right thing to do. the vast majority of respondents, not “some people”, want to remove the embedding feature— furthermore and still let everyone screenshot Tweets; no information source will get cut off at all.

i apologize if not driving traffic (and $$$) to someone literally trying to destroy democracies around the world and destabilize the working class while making money off your time and attention mildly inconveniences you.

 

To be fair, a free website removing a technical feature based on the results of a democratic poll IS a huge violation of one’s rights.

 

Absolutely wild that you would even attempt to defend him. None of this was about immigration or budget or whatever. Look, I’ve clashed politically in how to handle certain issues with a few posters here, but they have it absolutely right and I’m glad I’m posting here with them and everyone else. It’s this simple: call this **** out and stamp it out. It’s Nazi-ism. Twitter is run by a literal Nazi. How do I know? He gave the Hitler salute on live TV.

No one is abandoning free speech. But it has limits (not yelling fire in a crowded theater for example), and consequences. Special shoutout to @Darth Punk for putting it on the floor for us, have a new appreciation for you.

And I’m glad to see that the majority of people here who I have come to greatly respect over the years have taken a moral stand, even if it is in a small little way. Every bit helps.

 

edit I’ve already said everything in this post already it was just a rehash

 

Die, Twitter, die!

 

I voted to ban as soon as this was brought to my attention but I actually wanted to take a moment and register my objection to this being a vote. AFAIK the site does not allow public debate on the existence of the hate speech policy, so why is not banning a Nazi platform even up for discussion? As someone (I think several someones, actually) pointed out earlier, Twitter retains relevance as more than just another version of something like Parler only because the media generally refuses to acknowledge them as being identical, and I feel treating this as an actual open question is just perpetuating that.

Edit: In fact, wasn't this exactly what happened during the Wookieepedia situation a couple of years ago? IIRC links were flat-out banned without it being treated like an open question first, and Wookieepedia's quite a bit less relevant than something perceived/treated as a major social media platform.

 

Even the German media said it wasn't the Hitler greeting. They talked about that people in the Internet discussed about this gesture, but came to the conclusion, it was not the Hitler greeting. But you know, this is how framing works. If it was the Hitler greeting, the German media would outright tell it is so. So they hide between this Internet discussion, distancing a bit, but what is staying in the head of the viewers? Musk = Hitler greeting. This kind of biasing an opinion I'm experiencing quite much.

 

What’s going on in the USA right now is absolutely horrifying… and should ring so many bells/wave red flags for those whom know their political history and/or are just fans of Star Wars, and know how “liberty ends”. That the US has elected Trump (a convicted felon and Russian stooge) for a 2nd time and pardoned those who staged an insurrection to create his own militia, is bad enough… but that it has allowed the deeply pernicious Musk (an unelected billionaire) to become shadow POTUS, is terrifying. Yes, absolutely… do what you can to bring these 2nd rate Bond villains down.

 

Germain and many other countries said it was a Nazi salute, his own trans daughter said so. Elon Musk was just at a right nazi movement to say not to think of the past, lol

 

Germany and many other countries? Government statements? A daughter constantly at odds with her father? Sorry ...

And the German video, where was stated that it wasn't a Nazi gesture, isn't in an Elon-friendly channel btw.

 

So weak. This poll is pointless without the option to band twitter / X completely and in all forms from this site. No screen shots. Even mentioning the platform results in a ban. Boycott hardest or not at all. Make a stand.

But please feel like you made a difference taking 1/4 measures and congratulate yourselves while tip toeing into still supporting the problem.

 

I'm genuinely unsure what game people are playing pretending that wasn't a Nazi salute. Frankly an insult to everyone's intelligence involved: It was filmed in broad daylight, in front of a crowd, done twice, by a guy who couldn't possibly be unaware what it looked like.

If you want to pretend there is nothing to worry about, I suggest just skipping to the inevitable claim that he was "just trolling". It would at least be less embarrassing and we all know that is the excuse all the right wing media will land on, once every other talking point is exhausted.

 

If Musk wanted to muster his inner German he should have just declared “ich bin ein doughnut”.

The man’s an insecure prat. And the sooner he disappears with his moobs into a swamp of finasteride and minoxidil the better. But…the wife really likes her Tesla, I enjoy r/blackpeopletwitter. So I’d be a hypocrite if I was to align myself with a call to financially sanction him. Isn’t that what barring embedded twitter links essentially is? A financial sanction? Maybe I misunderstand. I get the moral stance, and the general sense of outrage.

Regardless, I’ll abstain from voting. I can’t recall ever seeing an embedded tweet on this site. So whatever the outcome of the vote it won’t alter my forum usage. Continue to fight the fight. Remember the words of Edmund Burke. And perhaps take head of Voltaire’s mutterings.

PS. I appreciate the notification that drew my attention to this. It’s nice to know the collective moral compass of this community is pointing in a favourable direction.

 

My question, why did it take this long for the question of whether or not to Boycott Twitter? It's been garbage for a while...

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Well it’s also expensive to sell a car and then buy a new one. Just get one of those bumper stickers that say “I bought this car before I knew he was a moron” those always make me laugh.

plus I’m not gonna high horse using twitter I’d rather links from this website not go there then just tell people over and over again no you cannot use this website.

plus there are websites which are owned by people I strongly disagree with that I still use because it’s my only way to stay connected to certain folk.

 

You're right, it wasn't the "Hitler greeting." The chest pounding, something that Hitler and his contemporaries did not do, is a feature of the neo-Nazi version of the salute. Thank you for the correction. It's important that we learn nuances.

 

I'm not normally the sort of person who'll wade in to a topic like this, but I've been politely asked to contribute, so here goes.

Personally speaking, this'll have little impact on me. Outside of these forums and my PSN account, I don't use any form of social media, and don't regularly contribute to threads which rely on embedded links. Whilst I recognise all the good that social media has achieved over the years, I also recognise that the toxicity, hurt, and damage such platforms (and their owners) can cause is beginning to outweigh those gains.

Of course, we all know why we're being asked this right now. Elon Musk just crossed a pretty big line.

Despite having my own strong political and social opinions, I always try real hard to be diplomatic and understand all sides of a given issue. Means I can hopefully still be friends with people I disagree with.

Having said that, I'm honestly surprised that this isn't a clean sweep in favour of removal, because I'm struggling to see a defensible side to this situation.

Let's give it the ol' college try, though.

1) Musk got carried away and his innocent gesture was misinterpreted.
This seems to be the most popular defence amongst his supporters. Problem with it is, Musk routinely uses his social media company to engage with, elevate, or otherwise promote individuals and material associated with (or at the very least adjacent to) the gesture's meaning. He's also somebody who continually professes to be genius-level smart, and informed about history, humanity, and social issues. So, to believe this (and ignoring the fact that he "accidentally" performed the gesture twice) you also have to believe that Musk is an idiot, which means he's been lying about his intelligence and mental acuity. Lying is untrustworthy, and immediately casts doubt over everything he says and does. Better to be safe than sorry. Vote to remove.

2) Musk's just a cheeky disruptor who doesn't believe in the meaning of the gesture, but made it to spark controversy.
Hey, we're all talking about him, right? And there's a school of thought in business that says "there's no such thing as bad publicity", so maybe he's not a Neo-Nazi, and was just trying to attract even more attention than he already gets? Well, if that's the case, then he's an incredibly greedy and selfish megalomaniac, because he's already one of the richest and most powerful people on the planet. Anybody in his position consciously choosing to use such a violent and harmful gesture for personal, professional, or political gain is frankly dangerous. Vote to remove.

3) Musk is a Neo-Nazi.
Then, by continuing to use his business, you're making an informed choice to support a Neo-Nazi. Please don't do that. It's not very nice. Vote to remove.

 

4) Dude is a self confessed Ketamine user and it was a ofcourse party day for the Trump cabinet . Dude might have just been wasted enough to go full mask off.

He looks pretty out of it

 

i just want to make it clear that this is actually an insane string of sentences. insane.

 

I am a progressive Liberal I joined Twitter after Trump won in 2016 to fact check Trump I am a member of a liberal group on Twitter called the Resistance our soul mission is to set the record straight fact check these conservatives! most of the Resistance members including me aren't going anywhere we were there before Leon we don't call him Elon he is Leon to us. although Twitter is crooked now its still a good source for Sports and movie and TV show News I'm part of Yankees and NY Giants and The Orville and The Acolyte and Willow TV Show and ASMR fan communities. although I have BlueSky to talk to a Liberal friend from Mexico there is hardly anyone on Blue-sky I have close to 2000 followers on Twitter on BlueSky i have not even 30 followers. I vote to keep imbedding Twitter.

 

Elon spoke at an AFD rally and according to “German media” they are tied closely with the far right and neo nazis

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...-nazis-a-e69c51d3-4b3c-49d2-8d54-d7b0a19c3f9a

I really think that should be the end of it