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I just posted Headcanon about the chips being removed from as many clones as Kal Skirata could find (starting with the Nulls) just as a precaution, even before he knew what they might be used for. So either way, it's likely they'd not be fully subjected to such conditioning or control. We know the Bad Batch were not, for one.

Certainly there's enough leeway to work around many of the issues with both Skirata's and Vau's boys, and still adhere close to both continuities.

Also - the fourth instalment of Rapier Squadron: New Blades is up on the Tales from One Canon thread. Ends on a slight cliff-hanger, but I think I'll leave it there till the next part. Ten to twelve instalments is the overall plan, so far.

Still set around the same time as Dark Journey and Enemy Lines 1, currently (one or two weeks post Star by Star finale)

 

I think that the Nulls being chipped doesn't make sense. The whole reason they were going to be terminated is that they were deemed "aberrant" and "uncontrollable".

And I think that if Skirata and co knew about the chips, they would have bugged out a lot sooner. But I'll go look at your post.

Edit: I think that does make sense, and the more I think about it, the more I like it. In Order 66 Kal asks himself why the hell he and the Cuy'val Far didn't stage a jailbreak on Kamino when they first arrived and realized what happened. Why did he wait so long to save his sons? Him knowing about the chips, but obviously not that they ensure adherence to Contingency Order 66, I think just adds to that question. Why did he wait so long?

Edit edit: I do wonder about Spar, Cut, and Sull. As folks who defected, with Spar and Cut's defection being disconnected from Skirata completely, were their chips removed? Or is Spar "defective" enough and Cut far away enough from any Jedi that it doesn't matter?

 

I left it a bit broad and ambiguous. The Nulls got reactivated for formal duties - so the chips could have been added later.

Honestly, I just needed a way for Kal to first discover the chips, and that seemed to be the one that sprung easiest to mind.

With a lot of my headcanon posts being sort of hypotheses anyway, rather than always set in stone immediately.

 

I like the basic idea re. Kal. Chips were found and removed. The nulls recognize no authority but his anyway, partly because they're a bad batch. As for the Alpha ARCs, it's stated that they are unmodified except for the accelerated aging. They don't have the obedience modifications. "They're pure Jango".

Overall it just raises my larger question, what about the deserters? Cut was written in before Lucas came up with the Chips, and then we don't see him again until TBB.

Maybe his chip went off and he was holed up for days muttering "good soldiers follow orders" and his family just thought it was war trauma.

 

It's worth noting even in universe that Dooku and Sidious were concerned about whether Tup's chip malfunction was an isolated incident or part of a wider problem. So the idea that a minority of chips implanted in the rank and file just failed due to poor manufacturing/environment/ some other factor was a possibility in-universe. They were never expected to be 100% from the start.

Take the clones who refused to kill the Jedi on Murkhana from Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader. We can theorize that, since they were likely decanted together, there was some defect in that group's creation that rendered the chips inert. Like how thousands of copies of a book can be ruined because the printing machine was broken.

Cut probably ditched his army gear. So he never got the official order. He heard about what happened obviously, but it clearly requires someone in authority over the clones giving the Order for the chips to properly activate.

Kal Skirata would definitely have removed any chips in the clones under his command.

As for the droids. It should be noted that, in the case of Kalani, he was clearly a different tactical droid above and beyond any other tactical droid used by the Separatist Alliance. The proof of this is in the fact that he was an actual Confederate General, one that Dooku actually seemed to rely on for tactical advice and strategy. So, Kalani could possibly have been given greater independence than the rest of the droid army, to the point where he says in Rebels that he was able to ignore the shutdown order for himself and other droid forces.

The other droids we see? Well, they were probably deactivated, and then remotely reactivated on an individual basis. But for most Separatist planets, by the time the droids could be turned back on in significant numbers, the clones were already overrunning their positions. It's worth noting that, in Rebels, Stormtroopers act like its standard procedure to find old Clone Wars droids and terminate them.

 

So if Spar has Jango's memories (which may or may not be true) would he know the reason Jango agreed to be the Prime Clone? To kill the Jedi in revenge?

 

Does the text say he has all of Jango's memories? Or just some? If he has all of Jango's memories, then yes, he'd certainly know the clones were built to kill the Jedi. And of course, since he hates the Jedi too, he'd keep that little tidbit secret.

 

The Péna article is the only source on him having Jango's memories, Traviss took that and said that he only pretended to in order to get off Kamino.

But he later goes insane unsure if he is Jango, Boba, or Spar and is killed by Ailyn Vell.

So I'm inclined to say he has some.

 

Yeah. I think I figured out a way to balance between Traviss and Pena for Spar and Shysa, hopefully we'll see the fruits of it soon.

 

Just got a hold of The Bounty Hunter Book bound by Boba Fett, which has Tor Viszla's Death Watch manifesto and history of Mandalore until his death. I was hoping it would include some info on the Spar/Satine/Shysa timeline, but alas.

It does give a nice rundown of how the New Mandalorians gained power, when the warrior clans regained power, and both the Civil War and the Great Clan Wars. It breaks down Tor's involvement and how he goes into hiding on Concordia and runs the Watch there until Jango kills him.

There's even art of Tor wielding the Darksaber!

 

My favorite part is when Jango writes: "I wonder if Tor really wrote this, he was a brute. This sounds like the younger Viszla. That one likes speeches." (Paraphrase)

 

Have I been given a reason to?
Granted I haven't followed all the EU as closely as some, but as far as I know the closest thing to a "wrinkle" in the last four years was the Acolytes showing Ki-Adi Mundi not in diapers, but unless he was said specifically to be on the Council I don't think that contradicts anything relating to succession?
I may need to do a revision after The Jedi Knights Comics release, unless they make outright mincemeat out of it I probably will. But I'm not too concerned, as I pointed out in that thread....

Spoiler

Shaak Ti's presence means the meeting shown in the preview is more than just the Jedi Council,

and there seems to be an unwritten expectation that most sources representing the Council in the 40's BBY only show 3-5 members at a time (Such as the Dark Empire Comic, and even going back to legends with the Dark Side comic.) The obvious inference is Authors don't like tying each others hands which can be rather boring at times but works well for projects such as this.
I fully expect at some point someone will make Ki-Adi Mundi a senior councilor based off his appearance in the Acoloyt but short of a weekly series like TCW showing him in his chair regularly he's been given a free excuse by the Acts of War comic stating he occasionally sat in for Micah Giiett before ascending in his own right.

For what it's worth I did have Depa Billaba rather dryly note in my own fanfiction that the Council in the 40's BBY had an ABSURDLY high turnover rate. So we could probably fit a couple more master's into that decade if we need to.

 

And as I postited months ago, Cerean males live longer then females hence the low male birth rate.

 

Have we discussed reconciling the legends handling of Fett clones in the Imperial Military, Kamino and the Kaminoans, and the arrival of stormtroopers with The Bad Batch?

I certainly didn't get the impression from TBB that three weeks AFE 1 they're already calling the troops Stormtroopers and Stormies.

Though they easily could be, we just don't see it because the Batch are largely in hiding.

 

@Delpheas We see Palpatine in his speech refer to the Imperial Stormtroopers by name in the Bad Batch episode Truth and Consequnces. Though that seems to be a year after Order 66. Or several months at least.

We've already discussed a bit about the idea of Kamino being partially rebuilt with survivors from offworld Kaminoan colonies and those evacuated from the planet after Admiral Rampart destroyed the major cities. We've justified this idea as an attempt to bring the semi-independent Kaminoans more firmly under Imperial control while breaking the will of the survivors.

Regarding the clones themselves, while Bad Batch portrays the majority of the "regs" being phased out in the early months of the Empire, the Canon novel Tarkin does show clones still in the Imperial military as of 14 BBY. So the clones are still a part of the Imperial military in Canon, just as they were in Legends.

 

Cool. And the Kaminoan regs getting phased out makes sense, since Palps wanted to replace them with his homegrown clones anyway.

Canon seems to conflate the Journeyman Protectors with the Mandalorian Royalguard, and suggests that the Protectors were primarily a Mandalorian phenomena. The official Databank says that Satine's Mandalorian Guard were in fact Protectors and one of the only warrior traditions allowed to openly continue after the Great Clan Wars and that they retreat from Mandalore to Concord Dawn after the Empire fully takes over Mandalore.

Any thoughts on how to square that with the EU having the Protectors of Concord Dawn be active as a separate entity from the Mandalorians prior to the Civil War /Great Clan Wars?

My thought would be the the differences between Mandalorians and Concordians are not as clear cut as Traviss indicates in her books, and that Satine's Guard/Journeyman Protectors are drawn from both Mandalorians and Concordians.

That also raises another thought. Is there room for Fenn Rau and Fenn Shysa to be retconned to be the same person? I saw someone elsewhere use the name Fenn "Rau" Shysa and it had me curious. I know there are differences that would need to ironed out, but they're both leaders of the Mandalorian Protectors, both ally with the Rebels, and both play leading roles in kicking the Empire off of Mandalore. For a while I myself assumed that Rau is supposed to be the canon version of Shysa anyway.

At the very least I'm tempted to have Fenn Shysa be a Constable in Satine's Mandalorian Guard before he starts working with Spar.

 

Making Rau and Shysa the same character wouldn't work. Rau worked alongside the Jedi and the clones during the Third Battle of Mygeeto. Furthermore he was an instructor for Clone pilots. He's also mentioned to have fought along clone troopers in multiple battles on the Republic's side. Shysa is consistently shown on the CIS side of the war when the Clone Wars is mentioned. It's more clear cut to keep them as separate characters.

I'd settle for there being a schism in the Mandalorian Protectors, with some following Spar and Shysa and others remaining loyal to Satine, with a group following Rau during and after Satine's death. Perhaps Rau's group were Pro-Republic volunteers during the Clone Wars using their training to help the Grand Army despite the Duchess pushing for neutrality.

 

Alternatively, "Mandalorian Protectors" is a generic term rather than the name of a singular organization. The official database refers to Satine's guards as "royal protectors", and it's confirmed in this video circa 10:40 that Rau's Protectors of Concord Dawn were part of Satine's guards.



Protectors as a generic term for "police/guards" also works with Spar's group being composed of former policemen. Since Spar is set on following Jaster's legacy would make sense for him and later Shysa to proudly declare themselves "True Mandalorians".

 

The idea I'm running with for my story is that Spar's Protectors take jobs for the Republic and CIS up until Satine's death. And with that group being wiped out at Noval II, my timeline leaves room for potentially merged Fenn(or just Rau, as I might say in my story) to fight at the Battle of Mygeeto as a way of getting back at the CIS for betraying them.

Regarding Rau generally, I was thinking of having him be one of the cuy'val dar, since he trained Clone Pilots.

 

Timeline? What's that?