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Amph Marvel's Daredevil (Born Again, Now Streaming Again)

Discussion in 'Community' started by Lazy Storm Trooper, Jan 7, 2014.

  1. TiniTinyTony

    TiniTinyTony 2x Two Truths&Lie winner/SOS Person of Culture star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    I had no idea Heather (Daredevil) and Mother Koril (The Acolyte) were the same actress.
     
  2. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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  3. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    I thought for sure:

    First I thought Muse would kill Heather and her image would be on a wall for DD to see.

    Then I thought Fisk would have her killed as a witness against his word that his men stopped Muse.


    I do like the fight details and scenes far more than the original season.
     
  4. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Two Truths & Lie winner! star 6 VIP - Game Winner

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    can I just clarify something -
    Vanessa was intending to have her husband whacked?

    ... seems a bit extreme.
     
  5. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    Nope. She set up Luca for Fisk. She sent Luca there to get whacked.
     
  6. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    Matt keeps getting injuries. Wasn't sure if Heather was able to see it as I'll need to watch again, but
    Muse cuts Daredevil's leg. Heather might notice Matt has a cut in the same place.
     
  7. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    Matt's excuse for that giant bruise was crazy lame btw. For Heather to believe that would be to accept that Matt basically falls from heights regularly. That's not a "I bump into things" sort of bruising.
     
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  8. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    He used it on Foggy for as long as he kept the secret.
     
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  9. SHAD0W-JEDI

    SHAD0W-JEDI Force Ghost star 4

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    Something that comes up a lot with these series, which I find interesting, is how "whether they stick the landing" can impact the enjoyment of the series. On one level, that's just plain weird, because we're watching it (mostly) episode by episode. Why should what happens in, say, Episode 10, impact how much you enjoy Episode 4? One one level it doesn't, there's not some weird "time warping" impact, at work -- when you watch Episode 4, you react in real time.

    And yet...

    For me, a lot is going to come down to what they tell us about the Kingpin by season's end.

    For example, was he sincere about turning his back on crime, at the start, about wanting to be Mayor for generally positive reasons, but his inner demons keep trying to drag him back to what he was (his true nature?)? That would make a lot of sense, and in some ways makes a nice parallel with Matt's arc. Also, is his "anti-vigilante" stance just self-interest (harder to be a crime lord when you have to contend with vigilantes and superheroes)? If so, that suggests he wasn't sincere from the start. Or is it meant to be something else, something sincere, something that just offends his sense of "order"?

    I guess we'll see!

     
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  10. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    I am waiting for Karen and Bullseye and Punisher to show up again in episode 10. In a way I think we're getting two finale episodes, episode 9 is the finale of ver 1 of the show and episode 10 is the finale of v2 of the show
     
  11. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    My suspicion is:

    Kingpin *did* change somewhat… but not that much, and not in a truly positive direction, because he just went from a shadowy mob boss who embraced being a villainous chess master behind the scenes to being an (eventually) fascist public leader who now craves the type of love and obedience he wants while still hating anything that goes against that.

    And the difference between the two is comparatively small, and maybe best illustrated by how what Kingpin was already doing before his “return to form”: holding Adam secretly prisoner in spite of his professed “going straight”, where he now clearly values perception from his wife and wants to break free of some of the contacts he used to use… but still doesn’t blink at committing other, horrible atrocities as long as he can keep them quiet.
     
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  12. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    The thing is, Fisk was pretty clearly firmly still in gangster territory during the events of Echo. It was at the end of Echo that he was pitched to run for mayor. It was always suspect that he chose to run for mayor.

    Threatening Matt if he ever does DD stuff again shows just how sketchy he is, Matt was just burdened by guilt and unable to see through the charade.
     
  13. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Chosen One star 6

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    This where Kingpin and Daredevil converge, they try to move away from their past but cannot. They both want what they think is best for the city and ultimately these descend back into their established, violent, darker halves. For Fisk, vigilantes have been a problem and won't go away. So yes, now he's using his power to enforce his sense of "order" and attempt to take out vigilantes using a warped version of the rule of law.

    I really enjoyed episode 7 upon rewatch. Yeah, Muse was kind of snipped but I am not sure he's gone.
     
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  14. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    This was the first time I audibly said “Oh, ****” while watching a scene when I saw (spoiler) had a (spoiler) and a nice vantage point.

    Also, with less snarky sarcasm about spoilers…

    I like that Dex was half right, and half wrong.

    Yes, good men try to save their greatest enemies.

    But Bullseye, as bad as he is, isn’t Daredevil’s greatest enemy.

    Kingpin is.
     
  15. nilzo antonio

    nilzo antonio Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Back to form
     
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  16. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Retired Superninja star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That was probably the best episode of the season so far.

    Matt’s anger getting the better of him and unknowingly giving Dex exactly what he needed to escape was brilliant.
     
  17. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod & Bewildered Conductor of SWTV Lit &Collecting star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I ****ing called it, lol.
    Fisk talking indirectly to Matt at the dance was cold af, same with having Vanessa wear red. It's like, who's the real devil.
     
  18. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    We really don't talk enough about Vanessa's transformation. In the original series, we saw the collateral damage Matt had on Karen and Foggy's lives.

    But that is nothing compared to what Wilson has done to Vanessa. She is not just every bit as cold as him. If possible, she is more ruthless.

    So while I'm sure many saw her ordering the hit on Foggy as obvious, it does feel earned here. Foggy clearly had evidence that was likely a risk to her operation- even though he didn't know it- so she took him out. Not to get at Matt. She is ruthlessly efficient in that way. She likely hired Bullseye because she knew Foggy had Matt for protection and any normal assassin wouldn't stand a chance against Daredevil. So she used the right tool for the right job.
     
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  19. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Chosen One star 6

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    Vanessa hiring Bullseye to kill Foggy & potentially Karen was absolutely to get back at Matt. By doing this, she got rid of Daredevil who killed the Fisk empire, and DD nearly took out Wilson. So when she told Wilson she made the business bulletproof that was the hint she hired Bullseye to eliminate Daredevil; by killing his best friend who just happened to get in the way of the Red Hook plans because Foggy represented Dumb Benny.

    Love that they tweaked the Ed Brubaker DD comic run showing that Vanessa was behind Foggy’s murder (Though I hope they follow through and show that Foggy is still alive somewhere.)

    Also Fisk putting Bullseye into gen pop in the prison was also a Brubaker tweak.

    Bullseye using his tooth to kill is classic Bullseye. That was hilarious.

    Don’t know why I LOL when Matt took a bullet for Fisk - he’ll be fine.
     
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  20. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    So this was definitely a episode probably entirely from v2 of the show, does that mean very 1 ended with Daredevil v Muse?
    nice to see a mention of Fisk killing Ben Ulrich, and how is Matt going to Daredevil in the finale with a sucking chest wound?

    Great FBomb by Matt

    Was the Dex blue tint a thing in season 3?
     
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  21. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Best episode so far

    I had a feeling it was Vanessa. I wonder if Wilson figured it out earlier?

    MM saving Kingpin immediately made me think of the 1990s Spider-man cartoon, in the best way.

    Before that happened, what was Fisk’s plan that night? Expose Matt as Daredevil then arrest him?

    Is there a chance Vanessa set up the Bullseye move and asked him to kill her husband, due to what happened to Adam?
     
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  22. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    I wonder, will they address who fixed Poindexter after he was crippled at the end of Daredevil S3?
     
  23. TiniTinyTony

    TiniTinyTony 2x Two Truths&Lie winner/SOS Person of Culture star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    I guess it doesn't matter who fixed him, but rather who financed it.
     
  24. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Two Truths & Lie winner! star 6 VIP - Game Winner

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    is there a reason that Kingpin doesn't tell the world that Matt is Daredevil ?
     
  25. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    ... have you ever seen a vigilante with nothing to lose? As of the time of the show, Fisk has absolutely no reason to -- it's more beneficial to him to keep it in his back pocket -- but there may come a time where that will change.
     
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