Lit A/V Clone Wars Continuity Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

That makes it all the easier to handwave away. It's just some strange mythology shoehorned into the last book.

 

Dead.

 

It's also based on Killik memories as well. And the Killiks are well known for integrating memories of their Joiners so the muddle is there.

 

In my opinion for me Ahsoka and other TCW Original Characters Except for the Mortis Gods Never Existed in the EU/Legends Universe just like Jacen Solo or Jaina Solo Never Existed in the Disney Universe TCW Contradicts the Continuity of the Multimedia Project so both Versions of the Clone Wars cannot Coexist in the same Universe i mean how can you explain that Even Piell is still alive in the Dark Times in Legends after being Burned in Lava in TCW i dont want to Erase Coruscant Nights from Continuity because that Story is Connected with Ferus Olin TCW has other Contradictions such as Anakin being a Jedi Knight in 22 BBY and not in 19 BBY as he was in Multimedia Project

There is an Explanation in Republic Comics and Outbound Flight trying to explain with Retcons the Events of the Original Thrawn Trilogy with the Prequels Gilad Pellaeon in Reality Faces the Morgukai Clones in Republic Comics

 

In your opinion or head canon. But that’s never how publishing approached it. The Clone Wars was given a designation of T or TV-canon, meaning it superceded anything but the movies .

I know that there were retcons made to the Thrawn trilogy to make it fit, I don’t understand why so many fans treat The Clone Wars any differently. A proper timeline incorporating both was never established since the EU was being shut down when TCW later seasons came out. But had the EU continued The Clone Wars would have been integrated into the EU and superceded some parts of it, for example Ventress’ fate in the Republic comics might be retconned so the Ventress in that story is a clone.

Establishing a timeline where everything works wouldn’t be fundamentally different than any other retcon the EU had to do to fix an inconsistency. I don’t think Ahsoka is even that hard to fit in. It’s easy to explain why she isn’t present in some stories, there’s time she’d be studying under other Jedi or at the temple.

 

The problem with TCW is that it has many Contradictions with the Multimedia Project if TCW had less Contradictions maybe TCW would have Fit well with the EU TCW changed how the Mandalorians are in the EU and in Republic Commando Novels Adi Gallia had a New Death in TCW i prefer TCW being Disney Canon only since with this there are less complications in both Timelines im not saying TCW is a Bad Show its just that the Show doesnt Fit well with the Multimedia Project

 

I think she'd have been an excellent character, if she'd been killed off like George wanted. It would've been a great culmination of a wonderfully tragic arc of Anakin’s apprentice.
Instead Dave went in the other direction, literally having her pulled out of time so as not to kill her off and its not worked. Now she's just there all the time and its not the same, she's now also become some super uber powered person that takes any tension from whatever scene she is in as there's no danger to her. Also despite being super important, she wasn't around during the OT for well reasons.
I honestly think Filoni didnt get what made her interesting or if he did, simply didn't care. She is his favourite character and that's that. He's tuned his own interesting character into a fan fiction Uber

 

Ashoka needs to lose a limb or two

 

Preferably a head.

 

OK so I did a rewatch of the Youngling Arc in Season 5 and its actually enjoyable. I remember when I first watched it and I didn't think it was that great but yeah it's good fun. David Tennant is great as the Lightsaber Droid and after playing Fallen Order, you can see the Ilum callbacks.
The weakness of the arc is Hondo, or rather the fall out or lack of fall out from his actions that the episodes ignore. He attacked a Jedi Ship, his men tried to kill the Children amd he was going to sell Ahsoka into Slavery !
Yet its all literally forgotten about by the next episode. Obi-wan even, rolls his eyes anda laughs it all off like it was nothing at the end.
1 kid even states "Iv got your back" to him. Like what !! You should be completely distrustful of this guy. She even guilt trips him later by saying "Ahsoka trusted you" He was intending to sell her into slavery, why would her trust in him (which is stupid on Ahsoka's part if true) be a factor.
The episode could have even got round that by having a line by Hondo saying to 1 of his men that it was better to fight with Ahsoka against Grievous than alone or have him realise he needed to make some sort of amends for his actions before the Jedi arrive. I don't know anything.
All in all 7/10

Post script After a Revenge of the Sith rewatch "You fool Iv been trained in your Jedi Arts by Count Dooku" Sorry but no way does this line go With Obi-Wan fighting Grevious multiple times like he does in TCW.

 

IMO, Hondo being so morally ambiguous is what made him such a great character. Without it he just becomes boring, like in Rebels' case.

 

I agree, keep him morally ambiguous but don't ignore the points or issues that were raised in the actual episode

 

The Celestial mythology and the Ones are obscure enough that I wouldn't have any problem accepting the Ones being Celestials into my headcanon. The Ones can exist in the EU canon independently of their TCW appearances much easier than major TCW characters like Rex or Ahsoka imo.

 

TBH I was never actually the biggest fan of "the Celestials" being a unified thing in the first place...

 

Nah, FotJ is in my headcanon, so all of the Celestial/Ones stuff in those books, including Abeloth being the Mother, counts. Granted, I haven't read those books in a decade, so maybe it doesn't fit as well as I think it does.

Either way, taking out TCW isn't without its problems. I just think including TCW creates more problems than it solves.

 

New clip from the Boba Fett & Cad Bane arc shown at Celebration:


Looks really cool, even in previs animation. It will always make me sad that Disney cancelled the show, and it will never get properly finished.

 

Oh, that's an unexpected surprise. Hard to believe that footage is over 10 years old now and we still haven't seen all of it. I'm of the opinion that if Disney aren't wanting to fully animate those unfinished episodes then they might as well dump the animatics on youtube for the diehards. People liked that with Bad Batch and Utapau, I'd even take the ones without full voice acting at this point.

This clip is interesting in that I wasn't aware the Jedi or Coruscant would even feature in the arc. I'm guessing this is most likely episode three of the arc, given that Boba has his armour and appears well-trained, leaving the final betrayal with Cad Bane and their gunfight for part four. Cool how even in animatic form with no temp music this is a well shot and thrilling action chase with loads of busy crowds.

 

It really stretches the believability of the Clone Wars only lasting 3 years though!

 

I don’t know why we are still getting unfinished animatics in 2025. Unless it’s to drum interest in getting it finished. Just finish the damn episodes and release it as a mini movie.

I mean hell, if they want to do some really George Lucas 4D chess Special Edition release order BS to still count the Siege of Mandalore as “the final season” and preserve its impact they can release Season 7 and just shove it in between on Disney plus lol

 

At this point it has to be deliberate, since we've gotten 150 new shows, but they aren't willing to finish one season worth of episodes that have scripts written, animatics fully made, something like Crystal Crisis even being fully voiced. Stories that originated from George, that are very important and integral to Clone Wars and these characters, and that Disney keep referencing in their projects, but seemingly will never let us see them. Bewildering.

 

Dark Disciple, Boba Fett, and Crystal Crisis. I don’t think anything else made it to animatic stage. I don’t even expect them to make anything else. Like I get we got a perfect finale but there have to be some ways to get around that and release the stuff that’s been floating around. Just do a fun spinoff clone wars TV movie once a year. I doubt it costs THAT much.

 

I don't think it's the question of cost — again, they've already made like 150 new shows that cost a lot more than it would've cost to finish 20 episodes of TCW. It's a deliberate decision on Filoni's and Disney's part that they are not willing to finish these episodes, for some reason—even though the scripts had been written, approved by George, animatics were made, some of them were fully voiced. But then again, we can never get them as originally intended by George anymore. Cad Bane is alive, Ventress is alive, Bad Batch Kashyyyk arc was essentially repurposed and trimmed down for The Bad Batch episode, even though The Bad Batch somehow still acknowledged that that arc happened (but we will never get to see it, lmao), stuff like Vong and Sith Shrine arcs are also not possible in the current continuity anymore. Pretty sure Vader comics also contradict stuff from the S8 Padme's Mon Cala arc. Ahsoka's Coruscant arc was drastically altered already, and for the worse. Pretty sad.

 

Agreed completely, well said.

It is frustrating that we keep getting material calling back to this stuff without ever getting to see the stuff itself. Even a more detailed summary would be welcome at this point.