A/V Maul: Shadow Lord

I wonder if we see Dathomir this season of the show or wait for future seasons. As we know Darth Maul is residing on Dathomir few years later in Solo. See more of the night brothers

 

I wonder if there are Nightbrothers anymore. Be funny if Morgan Elsbeth is the last Nightsister and Maul is the last Nightbrother and they have an awkward blind date because of that.

 

Well we know from Fallen Order video game that there are still villages of Nightbrothers. And Merrin is there.

 

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There are Nightbrothers, participating in a robbery alongside Mandalorians.

 

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is the Nightbrother leader involved ?

 

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Seemingly no

 

I wonder if they built the assets for Fortress Inquisitorius in Tales of the Empire with the knowledge of this show on the way. Would love to see a bit more of the interior of the Inquisition in the early days, maybe see some of the Fallen Order fellas.

 

Is that what he was supposed to be? It seems more like you have an interpretation of how Jabba was being initially presented (despite a lot of points to the contrary from as early as TESB) that doesn't mesh with Lucas' actual intent.

 

I love if we see younger Grand Inqusitor when he was in his prime. In Rebels he was getting older like 50-60 years old in human years. Like we see in Vader comics and Tales of the Jedi he is no sloutch. See how the Inqusitors operate.

https://collider.com/star-wars-darth-maul-show-timeline-explained-sam-witwer/
New interview with Sam Witwer and its Juicy.

 

Well, as usual with George, everything is in flux until someone interviews him, and then all of the sudden he's had an vision that's been locked in stone since 1974 and hasn't changed a bit. But looking at the various script drafts of ANH where Han steals the Falcon from him and then gets away because Jabba has no other ships, yeah, I think that was the original intention. And I think the fact that Jabba needs to post a bounty that keeps going up in price is proof that he doesn't actually have a widespread operation or he'd have a Desilijic army take care of it. If you saw something else there, then please correct me. I think George fell in love with the giant slug monster created for RotJ and ran with it. It probably also helps that Dark Empire had an organized Hutt crime operation and we know he read that.

 

Sorry, you're saying original intention in a particular draft, not in ANH the original finished movie on screen. That's fine, but that doesn't mean that was ever 'canon'

 

I don't care about canon or 'canon,' but yeah, I'm saying the final versions of the original theatrical ANH and RotJ reflect those intentions.

 

Very juicy! I thought this quote from Witwer was interesting:

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“He killed a lot more Jedi during the Clone Wars than we are aware of. We hinted that he was on a spree with Savage Opress, but that went further than people think. And so, that was what he was born and raised to do. That was his sworn enemy, and now they're gone.”

I wonder what this is about…

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Is it merely to set up his character development in the show now that his previous main goal in life is no longer viable?

Or is it setting up characters who may appear in the show, such as Jedi survivors of Order 66 who also lost fellow Jedi or masters or padawans to Maul?

Or is this about something else, about setting up Maul in this series as an even bigger villain during the Clone Wars than we even knew? This last one’s even more intriguing to me because it suggests the kind of expanded backstory that Lucas may have started sketching for him as he was preparing to make him the big villain of his sequel trilogy. Not a retcon or anything contradicting TCW, but rather an expansion to his character’s history that makes him even more diabolical.

Possibly it’s a bit of all three. In any case, I can’t wait till we see clearer images and videos of this show and its updated animation style.

 

It almost sounds like Maul is going to be a little horrified of the Empire. Not that it’s a authoritarian regime, the Sith have a history of Imperialism that would be well versed in, but by how much Palpatine is turning the galaxy into a technological Anti-Magic state.

 

I wouldntt be surprised if Filoni makes Qi'ra force sensitive i dont understand why give a Twi'lek apprentice to Maul if he already has Qi'ra and i dont think the Twi'lek apprentice is Darth Talon but a new character inspired by her is better that way in my opinion Darth Talon should never have been associated with Darth Maul just on a whim of George Lucas

 

I would be very disappointed if they give Qi’ra that role after teasing Talon. Qi’ra is just not remotely as visually compelling. Talon’s design is a direct descendant of Maul’s design. Of all the Sith in Legacy, she was the one in whom the “Sith tattoos” look worked most cohesively from a visual perspective.

Of course, for this reason it would be equally disappointing if they give Maul a Twi’lek apprentice and then don’t give her the tattoos eventually. Or if they don’t make her a true villain from a character perspective. Then they’d just be teasing Talon again, and the idea of adapting some of Lucas’s treatment, without giving us something closer to the real thing. (And I don’t mean Talon from the EU. That continuity is gone.)

 

I doubt we see Qira until the last two seasons if at all. This is all about Darth Talon as Darth Maul's legacy as the future darksider...

 

Seems like that ship has sailed with Qi'ra's role in Outlaws, that most likely triggered her story arc in comics. So far Filoni did not risk to contradict games.

Depends on what the real thing is. There is not much info about Lucas' ideas for Talon, except for her having multiple action scenes and Solo son's seduction plotline. The first one is rather probable in this series, the second one is unlikely not only because of canon questions, but because of current zeitgeist as well, it is not like there is many female villains using sexuality for manipulations in NU Canon (while with male ones situation is more interesting).

 

we know from the qi'ra trilogy of comics qi'ra isnt force senstive

 

It’s true, we don’t really know what the “real thing” is, but LFL does. So I’m just hoping we get something that resembles it and that they tell us so at some point.

I agree that LFL having Talon be a more seductive character when she grows up is unlikely. To be fair, we don’t know how much she was going to be doing this in the sequel treatments. The concept art in TFA shows her seducing and killing a random Jedi, but it’s concept art and may not have depicted an actual scene from the treatments. Still, we know Lucas had previously associated Talon with the femme fatale archetype from film noir, so some kind of literal seduction was perhaps indeed in the works. Pablo Hidalgo may have alluded to something like this in since-deleted tweets, though he may have meant a more general seduction to the dark side.

Regardless of all that, seeing Maul training an apprentice and growing a criminal empire will be exciting enough to watch, even if we know his eventual fate in Rebels. Indeed, Rebels suggest that we may eventually see him start a search for Sith artifacts that can help him in his quest for power, so if the series continues, we may get some of that too.

 

Seeing as this series starts a year after RotS, there is no way Qi'ra would be in the apprentice role, at least not yet. And she ain't got the Force.

 

Qira is 11 years by now like Han Solo and Qira is probably seen as the lesser apprentice after Darth Talon, since Qira is no force sensitive.

 

Yeah, I don't think Qira becomes his apprentice until the events of Solo which is like a decade later in universe. This would have to be a hell of a long running show to get to that point.

If anything, Voss is the bigger contender here, since we know he is Maul's frontman for Crimson Dawn and that he works most directly with Maul of everyone in Crimson Dawn, and from TCW we know he was around before this show, so he seems a logical character to show up and be a major underling for Maul, though I haven't seen any hints of him in the preview material for some reason.

...Uh, I don't think there are a bunch of loyalists for Maul. All the preview material I can find suggests that he fell pretty hard after Mandalore and this is him trying to crawl back to the top again, and looking around, it seems like he only has Mandos and Nightbrothers to start with, who are loyal to him for reasons beyond those of the underworld factions. And given this is a whole series rather than a couple of episodes like Maul's original takeover, presumably it will be harder this time around.

For that matter, we don't know if he actually has any syndicates working for him besides Crimson Dawn later on. There is some degree of cooperation, but that seems to be enforced by the empire as much as anything, and Solo was supposed to lead up to a giant mob war storyline so I don't get the feeling the syndicates are completely united.

Also, "Chaotic Stupid" is more when a character acts randomly or is antagonistic to authority beyond all reason, not being overly obedient to charismatic leadership.

In all fairness Luke is hardly an average jedi - he defeated a guy who made a career out of killing jedi after all. Heck, Jabba had a line where he boasted about killing jedi, and in a way that implied he rates the jedi he killed as higher than more recent jedi "I was killing your kind back when being a jedi meant something" (yes this line didn't make into the final shooting, but it was in a pretty late script, the novelization, and some adaptations, so I take it as reflecting Lucas' idea about the character and his backstory after all.)


....Though what gets me is that TCW shows a total lack of air defenses which is a bit weird in a universe where ownership of armed spacecraft is far from uncommon, and there are even pirate bands running around with fricken battleships. An orbital driveby is something one would have to prepare for as a big time gangster in this universe.

Agreed.

Some of the villain focused episodes have been among the strongest of other animated series, so a whole series like that has promise.

....though admittedly being a criminal focused show I can see even more opportunities for smash and grabs and infiltration and whatnot.

Oh, that would be an interesting bit of connection.

That would be quite the conversation.

Excellent.

Though those nightbrothers don't seem to know Maul is around and some random fallen jedi waltzed in to take over after killing Viscus who was Maul's number two in Sons of Dathomir, so I wonder if this will help reconcile Fallen Order's depiction with Solo's mention of it being a base for Maul.

That is indeed juicy fresh.

Confirmation for a "bad buys vs worse guys" angle. That will definitely include the empire, but I don't think there was too much of them in the trailer, so I am curious how they will make other opponents worse than Maul.

And it looks like they do have ideas on how to explore and flesh out Maul's character, so it looks like my prediction of him being relatively static compared to the secondary cast are misplaced.

The idea of him expecting an empire but a very different sounds fun and interesting.

There is definitely a fair bit of inconsistency over Jabba's position. Sometimes he is an interstellar power able to negotiate with the empire on equal footing, sometimes he doesn't even control Tatooine and has rival gangsters like Lady Varian and Tatooine's barely existent government as serious foes for his operations.

Yup.

Almost sounds like Chaotic Evil vs Lawful Evil set up, which would be interesting cause usually those are much more sympathetic to the lawful evil side but this sounds like it would be the opposite.

 

How long do you think this series will last and how come ?

 

4-5 seasons like Rebels. To tell how Maul build up his criminal Empire and how he lost it.