ST Joss Whedon Bashes the ST...Again

A while back, Joss Whedon said that he wouldn't bring back Star Wars. Now he's put his foot in his mouth, again, by saying that new Star Wars movies are "dangerous to the culture, and it's boring to me"

Idiot:




Mav Edit: This thread has (long ago) reached its conclusion, it's time for it to go to locked thread land.

 

Well I find this fitting now

 

I wouldn't call him an idiot for voicing his opinion and IMO it's a very valid one. While I love SW and disagree with him that there shouldn't be more at this point I definitely agree that there should be new franchises built and not reboot every single popular franchise every five years or so. There's nothing better than to find a new film that I love and watch it grow into a franchise of its own.

 

how exactly is he bashing the st? do you even understand what bashing is op? to an extent i agree with joss because its one thing to have a new trilogy wich im ok with but spinoffs as well? that to me i think is really milking the film honestly.

 

Joss Whedon does my work for me -- he opens his mouth and proves he's NOT the "prodigy" that geeks think he is. For example Entertainment Weekly proclaiming him "The God of geek culture." He's a totally over-rated sham.

And, oh btw, I find it laughably ironic that he talks about "rebooting" nostalgic film franchises and the brags about doing a 400 year old play. LOL Hey, Joss, you remade a play that was made into a film in 1993 and you wanna act like it hasn't been done in 400 years.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107616/

"So I need to create something new."

Idiot!

 

Idiot?
The guy is absolutely right.

He is not bashing ST, he is saying that it's time to create new content and not just do endless sequels, reboots, remakes, reimaginings and whatever.
How the hell did you get out of that statement that it's directed only, specifically and directly at the ST?

Calm down, breathe and read things carefully before you get mad.

 

Sure, it's okay to say that new content should be made, but don't be a hyprocrite -- MAAN is far from "something new."

 

Well, that's what he's saying.
I made the Avengers. I made a 400 year old play. They're different, but based on existing things. Now I don't want to go play around in another existing thing, and I want to go off make something new sometime in the future.

That's how I'm reading that.

 

see reactions like the op and others who call joss an idiot for this simply dont want something new. they would rather prefer the same rehashed charachtrers for any movie without some form of growth. why the hell do people think im so pro eu? because its new stories wether people hate them or not.

 

He's absolutely right because Hollywood milks these franchises over and over again, and there is no need for endless sequels and prequels. I stay away from 99% of them except for Star Wars simply because I am a sucker for anything new from the universe even though deep down I know that they don't need anymore movies.

As much as I want the ST, if I could make a deal with Hollywood that they would stop making sequels to EVERY hit movie, but the ST would be shelved too, I would take it. I would love for Hollywood to get more original because there are very few movies that I look forward to anymore because they are mostly sequels and prequels.

 

Joss Whedon (imo) is one of the most overrated directors in history. I think he should stay away from Star Wars, he doesn't seem to understand the formula that made the OT great. Plus if he did direct a film it would just be more CGI CGI CGI.

JJ on the other hand does, everything he has done so far for Episode VII is sounding not far off perfect. From practical effects, to using film and allowing lots of people like Kinberg and Kasdan to return.

In JJ we trust.

 

Yep that's exactly how I read it too. He's not saying Avengers and MAAN are new properties. He's not taking pot shots at anyone because he basically lumped himself in with everyone else and is saying that it's time for him to create something completely new. I applaud him for that.

 

Jar Jar?

 

It's a bit of a weird statement from someone like Joss. I mean sure his words have some truth in them but at the same time he is behaving like all the other directors - taking on franchises that have existed for a long time. I wonder how many of them think the same thing as him?

 

Joss Whedon is making a very valid point. Take a look at the current slate for movie releases in 2015 and all that you can see is high profile sequels and adaptations of major properties from other mediums. There is very little in the way of new imagery to define us as a people. In a few years our cultural footprint, what we leave behind for future generations to look back on the entertainment and media we consume, is going to resemble a highlight reel of the best bits from the past 3 decades.

 

well just by alot of directors not taking on the project i think its safe to assume they sort of feel the same way before disney got jj.

actions speak louder than words so

 

Sorry guys. I think it's fairly obvious he's bragging that he took a break from all this [repeating] by doing a 400 yo play. I think it's pretty clear that he's setting himself apart, which is explaining why he did Shakespeare, as I already stated is nothing new.

 

I'm taking that as he's saying "let's create new franchises and properties"

All the while he's working with Marvel and doing old plays?

Do you reckon it's cuz he didn't get the job?

What 400 year old play has he done? Has it never been done before over the years or are there already multiple versions of it? I genuinely don't know what he's referring to.

If there are other versions already out there then that is one of the most hypocritical sourpuss statements he could ever have made. Would have been nice if he spelled probably correctly too.

If not, then fairplay. Yes let's create new stuff. Let's see if he's up to the job

 

It's pretty clear it's not what he's driving at. He's comparing Much Ado About Nothing to working on The Avengers, a pre-existing property, in a sentence that's explaining his desire to move onto something new with his next project.

 

Erm we don't even know yet who has been offered the position by Kathy Kennedy. I imagine only the ones who were considered the best of the best for the franchise were even asked.

 

"I squeezed between the Avengers movies a 400 year old play. So I need to create something new."

Sounds pretty clear to me. I've done existing stuff, therefore now I must stop doing that and go on and make something new.

 

eh i dont think thats the case. me personally i think disney should wait and see how episode 7 is received with fans before jumping into the spin off terriroty. you have to remember the pt was very badly recieved and i still think thats why lucas sold his franchise i really do and i think thats another reason why guys like spielberg said no to doing ep7 when the whole buyout happened. directors are scared because lets face it star wars has a 50 50 record now of being both great and terrible and if this new st sucks can you imagine the backlash fans will give torwards jj or whomever?

 

I don't see the problem. Seems to me that he's saying he's already got the Marvel stuff on his plate, and that is more than enough for him as far as franchise work goes. Most directors would probably like to go ahead with their own stuff whenever possible.

 

Sorry, that makes no sense. By your reading he's basically saying I probably shouldn't have done MAAN because its old and been done before? He's basically admitting he has no creativity? It makes njo sense.

IMO he's saying I did a 400 yo play because I wanted to do something NEW (NOT more Avengers or SW or whatever.) MAAN has been done for 400 years in high schools everywhere and was made into a decent film already in 1993. IF Joss Whedon is that creatively bankrupt he needs to just go away. LOL

Lastly, I agree that Hollywood needs new ideas and franchises. However, to say he's not referring to SW as worn out like everything else he mentions is wrong. But again, I think Whedon is over-rated so I can't be convinced otherwise just as his fanboys can't be convinced he's over-rated. Stalemate.

 

It makes complete sense. He calls Star Wars a "tasty morsel". He's tempted to take on a Star Wars project. But he's just done/is working on The Avengers, Agents of Shield, The Avengers 2 (And overseeing all the phase 2 movies that lead into it) AND in his down time he made his version of a Shakespeare play. He's saying he's had enough of playing with other people's toys. He wants to move on and do his own thing, and that's why he doesn't want to do Star Wars.