ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

I never shipped anyone in the Harry series, but I think this is interesting What JK now says is interesting. Can a writer make a mistake?


— The Sunday Times (@thesundaytimes) February 1, 2014
"I wrote the Hermione/Ron relationship as a form of wish fulfillment. That's how it was conceived, really," Rowling says in the interview. "For reasons that have very little to do with literature and far more to do with me clinging to the plot as I first imagined it, Hermione ended up with Ron."
"I know, I'm sorry," she adds. "I can hear the rage and fury it might cause some fans, but if I'm absolutely honest, distance has given me perspective on that. It was a choice I made for very personal reasons, not for reasons of credibility. Am I breaking people's hearts by saying this? I hope not."
And what did the fictional Mrs. Weasley have to say about all this? S
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/02/showbiz/rowling-hermione-ron-revelation/

 

We do need to stop talking about Harry Potter, so this will be my last response broaching the topic. Writers can definitely make mistakes, but in the actual physical books that were published and exist in the world today, Ron and Hermione is not a mistake, not from a literary perspective. It was a relationship that was developed from start-to-finish with a clear romantic endgame by the author. It was Rowling's intent at the time, regardless of any regret down the line. Harry and Hermione was not Rowling's intent during the writing of the series, therefore its nonexistence can't be a mistake in the existing text.

 

But Kylo is Han and Leia's son, he's not Biff.


Not to mention how conflicted and feeling the pull to the light.

I'm going to contradict what I just wrote, but I do believe that people who are expecting a Kylo to be one dimensional villain are setting themselves up for disappointment.
Heck, not even Vader was a one dimensional villain.

The comparison makes no sense, and I'm pretty sure you don't think Kylo is like Biff, I think you're just writing this to contradict the Reylo proponents with a strong argument.

 

Well Biff was assaulting Lorraine much like Kylo was assaulting Rey's mind. So he's got that much right.

 

Of course writers can make mistakes. Regrets are a natural side effect of creation. Rowling wrote this series. Its characters inhabited her mind for twenty years. She poured every bit of herself into the story. She came to see her characters, which were in reality just marvellous figments of imagination, almost as living, breathing people. As readers, we cannot really hope to understand her perspective.

But the fact remains that Rowling chose to write these books in a specific manor. Each novel builds off the ones that came before it. Characters develop, mature, and evolve not only within single books, but also across the series as a whole. Evidence for Ron and Hermione was woven into the narrative from the very first novel. Changing directions mid-story would have sullied the characterization she worked so hard to acheive. I'm happy that Rowling chose to bring a more coherent narrative into fruition.

That being said, I'm also happy that, after everything was said and done, she chose to reveal her regrets. Rowling is a wonderful author, but she's also a kind, honest, and compassionate human being. Her revelation about Hermione and Harry gave closure to people who felt as though they had been tricked.

 

There's a big difference between assault and mind probe, which is similar to jedi mind tricks, done over and over by the good guys.
And again, Kylo is Han and Leia's son, not a random bad guy. The series has an even badder guy: Snoke. In fact, two: Snoke and Hux.
And they are even bringing another one, played by del Toro. Someone has to play the villain... Looks like that part is covered.

 

The Ren-haters' reaction to Episode VIII when Ren has more screen time than Finn:


Our reaction to their reaction:

 

When people can't accept that certain characters have been established as NARRATIVELY important:

 

When people can't accept that Finn is important to the narrative. *cough*co-lead*cough*

 

When did I say Finn wasn't important? I don't remember saying that. Finn's status as co-lead actually makes it less likely that his path will follow Rey's. You do realize that, right? There is a big difference between an A-Plot and a B-Plot. Both are necessary, both are important. Oh, and by the way, we have THREE leads, so thanks for proving my point... again.

 

The war of the gifs has begun.

 

Paging Darth Smurf:

Kylo is clearly not the big bad the way Biff was. Not to mention the fact that even if Kylo was Biff, no one is expecting him to remain Biff-like AND get with Lorraine in the end. This has been repeatedly stated here.

Also, look at what you've unleashed here.
*points to lame Back to the Future gif battle*

 

That's a matter of opinion and it remains to be seen how bad or how good Kylo really is. He could be the worst of all by the end, and given his actions we have more reason to believe that than the other route.

 

Okay, okay, I'll stop. We can get back to real conversation xD

 

Why would Kylo all of the sudden bump off Finn's screen time since Finn had more in TFA?

 

You wouldn't get it even if I explained it to you. It has nothing to do with my character preferences, just simple narrative flow, foreshadowing, all that. Your bias is way too strong.

 

Well, I personally don't think Kylo will have more screen time.

I think it'll be like in TFA, he's in less scenes, but every scene he's in has an impact. Also, Kylo can't be used for fluffly filler or humorous moments (even though a couple of his scenes had humour, they were brief). I don't think he'll have more screen time.

 

If even the smallest thing triggers you, why not just go somewhere that makes you happy? O__o I wouldn't want to hang out in a place that would constantly exasperate me.

 

Calm down you two

 

Seriously. I've been wanting to ask you that for a while. There's a reason I've never visited the FinnRey thread. It doesn't interest me. For someone who claims to hate Reylo, you're pretty obsessed with Reylo.

 

Good god, enough with the dick screen time measuring. All three are important to the films- however all three are not important to the Rey and Kylo thread.

 

Here is an excerpt from Rey's Survival Guide...

If you're reading this, then something's gone wrong. You're stranded on Jakku-a barren little planet with nothing but baking sand, hot sun, and wrecked starships. Stranded like me. My name is Rey. I've been here my whole life, scratching out a living with the lost and the broken. I don't how I got here, or why. But I know it was a mistake-and somebody out there will make things right, someday. That means I need to wait for them. And that means I need to survive.

I'm not too far into this book, but I highly recommend it! There is a ton of information in it about Jakku. I skipped ahead to this part a few days ago...rumors Rey has heard around the washing tables about The Graveyard of Ships...

Theory 1: It was to protect that secret imperial base I told you about, the one under the Carbon Ridge
Theory 2: No, the Imperial base was beneath the Sinking Fields. And it wasn't a base but a storehouse filled with treasure looted from ancient civilizations and hidden on Jakku by the Emperor.
Theory 3: That's close, but not quite right. See, the emperor had a throne room here, from which he planned to explore and conquer the rest of the galaxy.

About Kylo/Rey, there's this excerpt from the TFA novel...

"It is you," Ren murmured.
His words unsettled her: Not for the first time, he seemed to know more about her than she did herself. But she had no time to ponder his comment, nor was she inclined to do so anyway; she was too consumed with rage.

I don't know...there is other stuff too that points to the fact that he might somehow know her, or knows of her, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

I never said I hate reylo. Do I disagree with the pairing? sure, but I wouldn't say I hate it. and will I verbalize my disagreement? yes I will. but disagreement is met with hostility a lot and I've never really learned to not retaliate. I am also pretty stubborn and kind of like getting into debates/arguments. But I definitely don't set out to start any.

 

I wasn't actually serious about the screen time thing. It was more for the effect of the joke and lame Back to the Future gif war. The truth is I know foreshadowing when I see it. I've said this many times. There's a reason I'm so confident about where certain parts of the narrative are going. Others, I have no idea. This guy just comes back over and over to talk about Finn. Can't he just do that in the thread that is actually dedicated to Finn-related discussion? I imagine there must be one, though I haven't personally tried to seek it out. I would think people who are actually interested in talking about Finn would be make for better conversation?